OK - wat the f@ck is going on??

[enigma51]

I'm bathing the kids tonight and i leave the bathroom; my 2 year old daughter and 4 year old son happily playin in the bath.

Next thing i hear.. full tilt... "Get the fok out... get the fok out.... GET ... THE FOK.. OUT!!! from my boy..

So i have a little chuckle to myself and try and put a straight face on before facing the two of 'em..

I walk in and my daughter shouts "get the fok out"... tears are comin down my face at this point, any chance of keepin a straight face has gooooone.

Then.. my boy holds up the soap and says "get the fok out dad?!!'... it's then i realise they're saying frog, the plastic frog embedded in the soap.

stop fukin squibblin ffs

[FatFurryGuy]

Why do the families and friends come here
Becasue they have to man, they live here as well.

I recently lost my pillion, in a cage - probably my fault. Deep down inside you never know what it is going to do to you, you learn to deal with the shit as it hits - and then it hits again, and again and again. You take each hit and try to move on.

But with the hits come the hugs, and the occasional smiles through the tears and the heartache - ah the memories! They come for the memories.

Why did the moderators pull it
Becasue they have to man, we all have to live here as well.
They have a decision to make and becasue they are the moderators, we will live with it! I don't envy them on this one.

[Deano]

Define 'racing'....all three were skilled, experienced, well respected riders/men who were going too fast for the conditions that prevailed at the time.

This is what is pissing me off John.

How do you know that was the case in Uncle B's crash ?

Were you there like Jimbo was, cause his version of events is somewhat different ?

[chanceyy]

This is what is pissing me off John.

How do you know that was the case in Uncle B's crash ?

Were you there like Jimbo was, cause his version of events is somewhat different ?

thank you deano .. ditto here

we get the picture from Quasi on the situation up north .. but uncle b circumstances were unusual, & jimbo was quite clear on what happened ..

Thats why sum of us are quite upset with the posts & I would only presume the families/close freinds feel the same way ..

ok definately bowing out now

[The Stranger:Me]

When the next rider goes because todays lesson was cancelled, will the mod/s take responsibility??

Come on MSTRS, wake up and smell the bullshit.

I watched a rider (whom attended LB's funeral) on the way back from the funeral, on a wet road, windy conditions, failing light, overtake 2 bikes and a car around a corner with double yellow lines.

Shit the funeral and deaths of at least 2 of his friends didn't wake him up. All the gore adds on tv didn't stop him. Is he suddenly going stop because of a discussion on KB?

Don't try and hang that on the mods!

[MSTRS:Me]

Fair comment. Got a bit heated last night. For most of us, this is a very emotional time/topic and if mine got away on me, then I apologise. I do, however, stand by the intent - being the utmost concern that we do every thing we can to not go through this again.
But you are right, some people will never get the message. Saw it myself on Sunday.

[scumdog]

Too many people live in this fantasy world where their thought system goes along the lines of "shit, really bad luck what happened to old XXX, shit like that won't happen to me", - it always happens to "somebody else"

Although most of the time they don't even think of the "won't happen to me" bit.

And a lot of the time they don't think.

[Motu]

And then some people go completely the other way - wailing and self flagelation....kinda wierd if they never knew those concerned.

At my Aunies funeral a few years ago one of my cousins completely lost it...at her deathbed,at the funeral, and several times later.Ranting and raving about how it was everyone elses fault.It was very very distressing for everyone...it's just strange he never went off while I was there.He has now been completley cut off from the rest of the family - he wasn't at my mothers funeral,nor at his sister in laws a few months ago,but 2 of his boys were..and they were accepted by all.

Some people go completley off the top in grief,some like myself are pretty cold about it.

[mstriumph]

so here we all are
and some of us have learned from what's happened
and some of us haven't

that's life i guess stay safe out there peoples!

[slowpoke]

That right sherlock holmes!

Actualy can you please explain what the description of my bike and my avatar has to do with whole thing Yes maybe signature can lead you down the road of what do i know and there is the element of you dont know me so i will forgive you for that but if you can explain that would be nice

1) Kevin Schwantz was the guy who spent most of his racing life either on or over the limit, famous for crashing as much as winning, to paste him up as your avatar indicates hero worship.

2) Reinforced by the fact you own the latest hyperbike Suzuki, (for those "I live under a rock" types, Schwantz was/is a Suzuki God)

3) The bike is described as the "eighth wonder of the world" which has a certain bravado about it,

4) Under your user title you have "PIMP", which is an acronym for "Potentially Injured Male Pilot", more bravado

5) There seems to be a certain amount of "I don't want to talk about it" (denial) regarding these tragic events

You are absolutely right, I don't know you from Adam (that could be YOU in the avatar, with a striking resemblance to the Schwantz-meister, for all I know)....and therein lies the problem.....

...without knowing you, all we see is the picture you've painted for us and you've chosen to paint what some people would see as a stereotype. If you are under 25 then the picture is almost photographic in it's quality.

You also haven't done yourself any favours by calling people (who are grieving, just like you) "moaning wankers" which could cause people to further disregard your comments.

You sound quite fired up and will probably take this as a personal attack....which it is not. It's just an explanation of the impression you gave.

[enigma51]

1) Kevin Schwantz was the guy who spent most of his racing life either on or over the limit, famous for crashing as much as winning, to paste him up as your avatar indicates hero worship.

2) Reinforced by the fact you own the latest hyperbike Suzuki, (for those "I live under a rock" types, Schwantz was/is a Suzuki God)

3) The bike is described as the "eighth wonder of the world" which has a certain bravado about it,

4) Under your user title you have "PIMP", which is an acronym for "Potentially Injured Male Pilot", more bravado

5) There seems to be a certain amount of "I don't want to talk about it" (denial) regarding these tragic events

You are absolutely right, I don't know you from Adam (that could be YOU in the avatar, with a striking resemblance to the Schwantz-meister, for all I know)....and therein lies the problem.....

...without knowing you, all we see is the picture you've painted for us and you've chosen to paint what some people would see as a stereotype. If you are under 25 then the picture is almost photographic in it's quality.

You also haven't done yourself any favours by calling people (who are grieving, just like you) "moaning wankers" which could cause people to further disregard your comments.

You sound quite fired up and will probably take this as a personal attack....which it is not. It's just an explanation of the impression you gave.

Just to answer you back

1. Kevin is my all time hero and the fact he fell alot shows guts and determination to win a in racing! If you spend some time and look him up he also the one person who talks up safety and leaving for the track.
2. Please see point one. And just one more thing falling is part of racing and yes he did fall alot but he wanted to win on machine that was not as good as the competition so he was actualy the under dog.

3.If you mean I have pushed it to its limits im going to have to disapoint and say no cause I cant.
4. Or it can mean PIMP as in a female lady of the nights salesman !
5. Read my post again and you would see that no one saying dont talk about just not public for know I speak from experience its not nice to hear things not even a week after the incident when people is speculating or even when there is truth in it. Plus dont forget the cops and everyone needs to put case forward and if some one says something in here that can be of ill informed nature it can be bad for the investigation (if you get what im saying)

I did not get fired up though and i am not taking this personal either and you should not either What it does point out is that standing from the outside it is easy to judge how people should react and feel etc.

Maybe i should not have left my signature on or called people moaning wankers but that has happend that how I was feeling at the time and I still feel we are moaning about something stupid.


In any case Boys and girls be safe out there!

[Lou Girardin]

I've spoken to Spank about my thread and basically I don't give a shit about it being pulled. I DO give a shit about the steadily encroaching censorship on various issues.
As Motu said, this is a biker website that we voluntarily join, lurkers (from good or bad motivation) should not come into the equation when we are discussing matters among members. It's tantamount to listening to people talking about you, then getting upset when they bag you.

[MSTRS:Me]

.... I DO give a shit about the steadily encroaching censorship on various issues.
As Motu said, this is a biker website that we voluntarily join, lurkers (from good or bad motivation) should not come into the equation when we are discussing matters among members. It's tantamount to listening to people talking about you, then getting upset when they bag you.

Correct. And at the risk of being considered a completely insensitive prick, it has to be said that none of us would consider going into the families' homes and telling them how to deal with their grief.

[Deano]

this is a biker website that we voluntarily join, lurkers (from good or bad motivation) should not come into the equation when we are discussing matters among members. It's tantamount to listening to people talking about you, then getting upset when they bag you.

But a verbal conversation is there and then gone, and generally private - these written words are here forever, and this is a public forum.

Would you continue to bag someone knowing they were listening, or talk about someone knowing that the person you told would then tell that person you bagged ?

End of the day, it is Spankme's site, and he appoints moderators to do his bidding.

If you don't like the rules, go play in another sandpit.

[terbang]

Whilst I understand the juggling act that the mods must undertake and respect their position. There was a thread "time to reflect" that seems to have dissapeared for some reason.
I was away for a couple of days and maybe it got out of hand and was deleted out of respect.
However I also want to find out how the bloody hell two riders, two extremely competent riders, managed to collide head on on a KB ride. The reason I want to know is because I intend to continue attending KB group rides and don't want to end up witnessing or being involved with a repeat of what has just happened. It wasn't an act of god, there will be a systemic process of attitudes and events that led us all here. Lets face it, something heavy has just happened, this site bears some responsibility for it and we don't want it to happen again. Open, frank and constructive discussion (not apportioning blame or finger pointing) is needed on this site to avoid a repeat and to possibly make some good for our future (the living KBers) out of such a tragic event. Sweeping reality under the mat makes no sense.