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    Criminal nuisance conviction for roading contractor after crash

    Criminal nuisance conviction for roading contractor after crash

    13.07.2004 11.00 am (New Zealand Herald Website)

    Local bodies are investigating the implications of the convictions of a Hawke's Bay council and its subsidiary roading contractor for criminal nuisance leading to a motorbike crash 17 months ago.

    A judge says the case against Tararua District Council and Infracon Ltd, relating to loose gravel on a country road and the absence of a sign warning traffic, does not have the "precedent value" argued by lawyers.

    But it could impact on relationships between councils and their local authority trading authorities, known as 'Lates'.

    The convictions came in a decision delivered by Judge John Hole in Napier District Court yesterday, after a private prosecution by the crash victim, Wellington businessman and city councillor Chris Parkin.

    The council was convicted and discharged and left to pay just $339 of the $4500 sought in prosecution costs.

    But Infracon, a Late owned by the neighbouring Tararua and Central Hawke's Bay district councils, was fined $2000, and ordered to pay reparation of $7029.56, as well as its $339 share for the prosecution, and standard court costs of $130.

    The prosecution resulted from Mr Parkin's crash on February 16 last year, when his motorbike skidded on loose chip on a Route 52 bend between Weber and Porangahau. It crossed the road and hit a tree and a fence.

    The gravel came from a recently-sealed patch on the opposite side of the road, but there was no sign warning Mr Parkin of the danger, although there was a warning for traffic coming from the opposite direction.

    Mr Parkin was not badly injured but told the court at a May hearing, in which the council and the company defended the charges, that damage to his 1000cc Aprilla twin motorbike, clothing, boots and helmet cost more than $8500.

    According to evidence, a sign was put in place after roadworks were completed about January 29, but there was no evidence of its presence after that date. The loose chip had been applied by a sub-contractor on February 10.

    While the judge ruled the council and Infracon had both created a criminal nuisance by the acts or omissions alleged, he determined a degree of responsibility on the rider by deducting 20 per cent from the sum claimed for reparation.

    There would still have been an onus on the rider to stop safely within half the length of clear road ahead, he said.

    Judge Hole said the only penalty that could be imposed on either defendant was a fine, and he was satisfied that the circumstances were less serious than previous cases referred to in submissions by prosecution counsel Claire Boshier.

    No one had been killed or seriously hurt, he said, and he had to take into account the practicalities involved with a rural local authority trying to control about 1900km of roads frequently under repair over a wide area.

    A motorist using such roads as the secondary route from Wairarapa to Hawke's Bay on which the crash happened had to be aware of the possibility of "some deficiencies", he said.

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    Its a start, the judge got it half right from reading that. I have heard in the past of a local authority that paid out for damage because it accepted that there was no signage out.Chips put out for frosty conditions that were not signed and were still in place well after the frosts had disappeared, like days since the last frost. Perhaps this was to save a court case?

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    It's a good start. Perhaps contractors will be made to take more care in future.
    Still should have thrown the bookat him

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    Quote Originally Posted by bungbung

    There would still have been an onus on the rider to stop safely within half the length of clear road ahead, he said.
    The RIDER fucked up,not the Council or the roading contractor - he fucked up on his nice Aprillia and wants someone to pay for it - how bought we take responsability for our own actions and pay for it ourselves.

    Careful of what you want guys,you want to give the Nanny State more power to control our lives - this sort of shit scares me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    The RIDER fucked up,not the Council or the roading contractor - he fucked up on his nice Aprillia and wants someone to pay for it - how bought we take responsability for our own actions and pay for it ourselves.

    Careful of what you want guys,you want to give the Nanny State more power to control our lives - this sort of shit scares me.

    A bit harsh there, aint ya? So the cage driver pulls out in front of you, you fail to stop with in half the clear distance so its YOU that fucked up, huh?
    Same logic taken to extreme I guess, but there are enough dangers out there and some can be signed, should be signed as they are not seen untill you are on them and they are man made. Not sure about your area but there is nothing like a spread of grit across the road to pucker the seat on a bike when it is unexpected.

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    Yeah we talked about this when Chris first got the case to court. While he is a nice guy and its admirable he won I too would be worried about the effect this will have on litigation averse Councils that might start imposing additional rules to cover their backs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merv
    Yeah we talked about this when Chris first got the case to court. While he is a nice guy and its admirable he won I too would be worried about the effect this will have on litigation averse Councils that might start imposing additional rules to cover their backs.
    See where you are coming from, but surely there should be an onus on the roadworks gangs to use the signage that they already have to its full affect? I ean, these same gangs are pretty hot on calling the cops when people ignore their signs, should work both ways re the using of the signs. If very one was to ride/drive with the thought that maybe this rad is stuffed up just around the corner imagine the lack of speed on the open road. I know the law states that you should beable to stop with half the clear distance ahead of you, in all practicality this would be near on impossible in relation to grit.gravel across the road. Think of how many corners there are where you can not actually see the road surface and have to apply a bit of blind faith that it affords the appropriate grip that you need for that corner.

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    Great stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by bungbung
    Criminal nuisance conviction for roading contractor after crash
    Great stuff, thanks for that post

    I have fwd a copy to both local councils here.

    This is a huge fear for me, coming across loose seal on a corner. Heard a lot of horror stories of guys coming off due to loose seal and no warning signs!

    Comon everybody, fwd a copy to your local body roading manager!

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    Yeah but to guys like me and Motu who love the gravel roads I can see the bunch of councillors discussing the issue "Motorcycles are not safe when there is gravel on the road, so we must prohibit all motorcyles using gravel roads or going anywhere near roadworks except farmers doing no more than 30km/hr, all those in favour - aye - carried, new bylaw in effect from Monday .."

    It is the same sort of mentality that has got us judder bars, speed humps call them what you like in the city because its not safe to go 50km/hr down those streets so they think.

    Or as I mentioned a while ago also I laughed to travel Banks Peninsula on my last holiday to ChCh and find roads such as Western Valley Road labelled suitable for four wheel drives only - damn my Hillman Hunter had no problems on those roads 30 years ago.

    The namby pamby do-gooders will get us if it threatens their pockets as they have the rate payers to answer to, most of whom don't ride motorcycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merv
    Yeah but to guys like me and Motu who love the gravel roads I can see the bunch of councillors discussing the issue "Motorcycles are not safe when there is gravel on the road, so we must prohibit all motorcyles using gravel roads or going anywhere near roadworks except farmers doing no more than 30km/hr, all those in favour - aye - carried, new bylaw in effect from Monday .."

    The namby pamby do-gooders will get us if it threatens their pockets as they have the rate payers to answer to, most of whom don't ride motorcycles.
    Yeah, but on the otherhand I thought we were talking of gravel/grit on sealed roads. The council down here would be hard pushed to enact a law like that with out first supplying us with some sealed roads, majority are gravel except for main HiWays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    The RIDER fucked up,not the Council or the roading contractor - he fucked up on his nice Aprillia and wants someone to pay for it - how bought we take responsability for our own actions and pay for it ourselves.

    Careful of what you want guys,you want to give the Nanny State more power to control our lives - this sort of shit scares me.
    What a load of crap, pull ur head in you ning nong.

    Were you there? do you know where the rider fell off? - Didnt think so.

    Far to many riders come off on loose seal due to no warning.

    When your coming around a bend at 100kph, your leant over, you are looking thru the apex, not at the road surface right in front of you, you cant afford to skim the road right in front of you to try and pick out a small build up of loose stones, no way! you looking for your line, cars crossing the centre line in the distance, a distance that makes it hard to pick up little stones loose on the road surface

    Im some cases you can see it, but not that often, i know this from FACT! i nearly came off twice last week riding out to Whanga, the corners are blind and by the time you "think" you might see loose seal your already dancing over the stones that have been flicked further along by cars/trucks.

    This isnt the start of giving some "Nanny State more power to control our lives" There is a GOOD reason they have to put up road signs! becasues its dangerous! when they fail to do so people can get killed! Plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merv
    Yeah but to guys like me and Motu who love the gravel roads I can see the bunch of councillors discussing the issue "Motorcycles are not safe when there is gravel on the road, so we must prohibit all motorcyles using gravel roads or going anywhere near roadworks except farmers doing no more than 30km/hr, all those in favour - aye - carried, new bylaw in effect from Monday .."

    Or as I mentioned a while ago also I laughed to travel Banks Peninsula on my last holiday to ChCh and find roads such as Western Valley Road labelled suitable for four wheel drives only - damn my Hillman Hunter had no problems on those roads 30 years ago.
    More rubbish!

    Mate we arent talking about NEW laws here, we are talking about people doing their job peoperly! putting up WARNING signs like they HAVE TO!

    The 4WD sign you saw was a WARNING sign, not a law prohibiting other cars, bikes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkyfly
    There is a GOOD reason they have to put up road signs! becasues its dangerous! when they fail to do so people can get killed! Plain and simple.
    And... and... won't somebody *please* think of the *children*!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkyfly
    More rubbish!

    Mate we arent talking about NEW laws here, we are talking about people doing their job peoperly! putting up WARNING signs like they HAVE TO!
    MATE we could be talking about new laws if those able to make the laws are under threat - you seem to be missing my point entirely. Where do you think bylaws come from? Is it easier for the Council to bring in a bylaw that can then be policed by the police or do you think they will ensure their contractors never miss a sign and therefore the risk of prosecution as in Chris' case.

    Don't ever doubt the power of the bureaucrats. How do you think fireworks sales in this country were reduced as an example - because they weren't safe so they reckoned.

    Do you really want to push people on how dangerous bikes are and man if you are close to crashing a couple of times when you ride then you will really be giving these guys a message about motorcycles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by merv
    MATE we could be talking about new laws if those able to make the laws are under threat - you seem to be missing my point entirely. Where do you think bylaws come from? Is it easier for the Council to bring in a bylaw that can then be policed by the police or do you think they will ensure their contractors never miss a sign and therefore the risk of prosecution as in Chris' case.

    Do you really want to push people on how dangerous bikes are and man if you are close to crashing a couple of times when you ride then you will really be giving these guys a message about motorcycles?
    Dude, forget theories, this is the REAL WORLD we are talking about, bikers lives!

    You REALLY think the council would/could pass a bylaw banning motorbikes from riding over roads that currently have alterations going on???

    Yea right,

    What they will do (and i have worked in local govt for over 7 years!) is make sure their contractors are doing what they are supposed to do - and thats putting up signs warning people of the road conditions!

    If you read the article you will notice it was the contractor who was really at fault, hence they got the majority of blame, not the council!

    But its the council have the authority to ENFORCE their contractors to do a proper job!

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