OK - wat the f@ck is going on??

[mstriumph]

there have been a couple of useful threads lately that i have posted to ---- that have suddenly disappeared without a trace

the latest is the 'respect' thread started by Lou --- some of the comments were near the bone but they were real and they were honest and some of us were, through the thread, groping our way towards understanding, closure and acceptance both of the situation and of ourselves

now - i know this place is moderated - fair enuff
but CENSORED??

THAT makes me very uncomfortable
because i VALUE coming here

please, PLEASE don't turn this into another narrow, subjective, censorous POLITICAL little no-account mainstream forum

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT

.................... and -
WE DESERVE BETTER!!!!!

[bluninja]

Through the sad news of the last few weeks I've been lurking, saying nothing in those threads as there was nothing for me to say. Whilst heart wrenching for those involved I don't see a need to start removing threads because it's too painful for some people to take just now.

I lost a very good friend this year on his motorbike. His partner announced the news with "Gary wasn't as skillful at bouncing off tractors as you". Nobody on Kiwibiker knew him; and the posts about stupid stunts and offs and speed limits were there every day. I doubt that any would have been moderated or pulled if I had complained.

How will the moderators know when 'certain' threads can be posted again without cause of emotional harm and pain? What if you get it wrong and they suddenly have all their grief rekindled.

There may have been good reason to pull the posts, but to just remove the threads with no explanation (whether we agree or not) is not good. I hope the events of the last few weeks aren't repeated and that this becomes a non-issue. However people die everyday and some of them will be friends and family, and some of them will be on motorbikes when it happens. As Kiwibiker gets bigger and bigger the chances are you will know more and more of the fallen in NZ.

I believe some people have expressed the view that we are diminished by the loss of each person that dies. I'd rather consider that I am enriched by every person that I've been privileged to meet. Even when they are gone, their memories still enrich us.

[Joni]

MS it was pulled by one of the Mods due to the request of one of the deceased riders partners...
The Mods are currently discussing what should be done...

[Motu]

Why are they coming here reading threads that will upset them? Picking at scars? They should be warned they might read something they don't like.Read the positive tribute threads sure....buy surely if they see a thread heading the wrong way they should stop.Seems pretty basic to me.Too much hand holding going on over this whole thing.

[chanceyy]

Why are they coming here reading threads that will upset them? Picking at scars? They should be warned they might read something they don't like.Read the positive tribute threads sure....buy surely if they see a thread heading the wrong way they should stop.Seems pretty basic to me.Too much hand holding going on over this whole thing.

Its not about holding hands Motu, as said on the previous thread the emotions are still raw, there are still alot of ppl who are grieving .. along with the partners/familys & close freinds on here. I sent a pm to a Kber with my thoughts rather than posting.

Even though I agreed with comments that had been posted I still cringed at the thought that one of their partners may have read it ..

@ both of the funerals I attended last week both family members advised they were logging on as they got comfort from reading the posts etc, & did not take part in the KB side of life but with the overwhelming support that they recieved have been logging in ..

with the certain posts being only a week after the unfortunate incidents, even though they are brutal words & may make one or two pull their heads in (which i doubt) a lil sensitivity would not have gone amiss

[Kendog]

MS it was pulled by one of the Mods due to the request of one of the deceased riders partners...
The Mods are currently discussing what should be done...

Did they request the thread be removed?

[Shaun]

I to feel it is wrong to have this thread on hold

Some things that have been said are hard and true

I trully believe that some of things being said are going to help keep riders alive

We have a responsibillity to each other to try and protect each other

Closing our eyes will fix nothing

[Joni]

Did they request the thread be removed?

Yes!

I have received a few pms etc about this: the request was not made to me, and I did not action it.... so all I can say is it is being worked on as we speak.

[ceebie13]

Why are they coming here reading threads that will upset them? Picking at scars? They should be warned they might read something they don't like. Read the positive tribute threads sure....buy surely if they see a thread heading the wrong way they should stop.Seems pretty basic to me.Too much hand holding going on over this whole thing.

Indeed. It's a bit like people who live near airports and then complain.
Or perhaps those who complain about TV programming. With the greatest and sincerest respect to anyone reading this, I agree with Motu. Your TV, your computer or whatever has either a channel switch button or an off switch. All I can do is suggest that you use it. I made further comments here:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...446#post856446

[Squeak the Rat]

This place is often likened to a bikers pub. Such talk as was in those threads is the kind of stuff that would go on in such a pub by friends and acquantances and other hangers-on, out of ear shot of close family. And such talk can be very useful for the grieving process for those wanting to be involved in it.

Trouble is this really isn't a pub and quiet conversations in the corner can't happen because every one can listen in. We're not talking about some canadian backpackers who walked into the boozer, these are the family of friends.

As one who has been making an effort to keep out of the threads and observe, all I want to say is that Quasi's post had a huge impact on me personally, more so than anything else that's been said in the last three weeks.

Tough call and I wouldn't want to have to make it, but I will respect the decision......

[MSTRS:Me]

This reminds me of an old McPhail and Gadsby skit....
2 old RSA codgers are discussing (we'll call him Bill), saying how much of a prick he was, couldn't be relied upon for anything, would freeze under fire or desert his mates, ate more than his share of the rations so the rest went hungry etc....
Someone else comes into the room and announces that Bill has just died.
Now the conversation goes....
Shame about old Bill. Wonderful chap, salt of the earth, good man in a tight spot etc.....
Pulling this thread is bullshit. I appreciate that 'some' posts were un-necessary and in no way constructive, and those were rightly put in PD. But the rest, even if painfully honest, stand on their own merits. No-one should die like our friends did. If being truthful about what happened helps others to survive, then that should be the most important consideration.
I am not downplaying the feelings of the families, but I doubt that any of them want others to join them in personal bereavement.

[Maha]

Should just title the threads HERPES dosent matter how many times they get pulled/censored/cleaned out, they just keep coming back...

[Big Dave]

I would be frustrated if I made contributions and they were nuked.
But if it was up to me I would leave it deleted.
There are some things that are better said privately. This was many of them.

[dawnrazor]

how was I able to post in the "respect" thread at 11am today and now its gone!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact Joni replied to my post

was the thread reinstated and then pulled again????????

[Ixion]

Yes. It's been pulled again.