Age vs performance:

[LilSel]

Are you trying to imply that boys are the only idiot drivers? lol how many here have been cut off or had some other inconsiderate move done y a woman driving a car no matter the age.

Boys just do it all in one lump of years,women drag it out for thier entire lives lol


BTW, I'm stirring.

LOL!!! no im not implying boys are the only idiot drivers... shit we all know some women are shockers!!
In terms of the whole 'boy racer''girl racer''teenage' thing... the majority are boys wearing hoodies with pants that are halfway around their ankles... oh and a hat to the side too lol...

Just gotta look at the newspapers/statistics... its the boys that are writing themselves and their mates off in their cars...

EDIT: the girls just get drunk n pregnant at 16...

Nice stir

[James Deuce]

But you have a point Waylander. When commuting I find that truck and van drivers (irrespective of gender) move over to let you by where women driving private vehicles change lanes into you, and generally seem to be doing anything except concentrating on driving.

Pastybee witnessed an incident where the women actually changed lanes, hit me and then continued to try and push me into the barrier while looking right at me with her mouth open. Her windows were all mostly obscured with internal condensation.

I wasn't even lane splitting at the time.

It is something that happens a lot (to me anyway) when traveling on the motorway in peak times and I usually avoid those incidents before they develop by keeping a close eye on vehicle body language and moving about as much as possible, staying ahead of peripheral vision zones.

[terbang]

[LEFT]continued to try and push me into the barrier while looking right at me with her mouth open. Her windows were all mostly obscured with internal condensation.

It's those sheilas in 4WD shopping baskets that I keep an eye on..

[Dai]

Comming into work last week. Northbound from Papakura to Newmarket.

Cage moving quite noticably in a serpentine motion in its own lane. WHen I pulle up beside it I glanced in and lo and behold there was a young lady casually eating her cereal from a bowl.

Bowl held in her left hand which also was holding the bottom of the steering wheel, right hand holding the spoon and shovelling the cereal to he mouth. Every time she went to get another spoonful the car verved left. When she moved the spoon to her mouth the car whent to the right. Something to do with her lowering her eyes everytime she filled up.

All this at speed up to 100kph.

Once I saw this I opened up and left this very "talented" driver way behind me.

If I had of seen a cop on the motorway I would have reported her

[LilSel]

This is about Age Vs Performance right?? lol...

Being non gender specific... some youth can handle high powered cars n not write themselves or others off... sure a few bad apples (youths) spoil things... shouldnt mean all youth are put in the same basket...

(more expensive insurance/licence waiting times etc are plenty enough for under 25's.. IMO... (maybe cuz im under 25)... but still... I along with other mates of mine... are not racers etc... drive high power turbo cars...*shrug*... I find having a turbo/fast car helps me sometimes to get out of potentially damaging situations...

[imdying]

Why let teenage BOY racers, who think they have big dicks cuz they have fast cars, ruin it for everyone else???

I am 22.... I have had my car (Subaru 2L twin turbo) for a few years now... and not once have I crashed... Sure I can go stupidly fast in it... but its about being responsible... same with my bike... only 250... but still hauls when I twist the wrist... there is a time and a place for that tho.

One could argue that you're the worst kind of NZ driver... you've got a car too powerful for NZ roads and drivers abilities, and you think you're safe and everyone else is a bad driver. Sure, whenever I speed, it's an appropriate time...

[imdying]

This is about Age Vs Performance right?? lol...

Being non gender specific... some youth can handle high powered cars n not write themselves or others off...

You cannot state that as fact, for all you know, they may have just been the lucky ones. Ask around people driving those sorts of cars, I bet they've all had a 'moment' at some stage or another. Worse still, it was probably their experience and 'skill' that saved them, not the grace of God.

[LilSel]

One could argue that you're the worst kind of NZ driver... you've got a car too powerful for NZ roads and drivers abilities, and you think you're safe and everyone else is a bad driver. Sure, whenever I speed, it's an appropriate time...

LOL... Sure... whatever you say
car too powerful?? in who's eyes?... driver ability?... *bites tongue*... lol.... (speed kills... exactly my point!!! time and a place= track!)

[LilSel]

You cannot state that as fact, for all you know, they may have just been the lucky ones. Ask around people driving those sorts of cars, I bet they've all had a 'moment' at some stage or another. Worse still, it was probably their experience and 'skill' that saved them, not the grace of God.

fair enough... what im trying to say is that some DO have the skill!

EDIT: Not saying I have lots and lots of 'skill' but do have some... from experiences, car driving course thru work (pushed company vehicles to their limits, learing to control the cars when they lose traction and skid etc...) on the track!!... Even the (D1NZ) drift cars... those guys have skills!! my first attempt at drifting cousins drift car (on track!!)... I came in after being out for only bout 5mins and far out.. I had gained the utmost respect for those guys and the way they control their machines, makes me want to learn more.... I know some take it to the streets... and they are idiots for doing so... but high power cars does not mean dangerous fast driving!... blah blah rambling now... *bored*

[imdying]

fair enough... what im trying to say is that some DO have the skill!

But how would you measure that skill? How would you keep those people who can't drive well enough out of those cars?

EDIT: Not saying I have lots and lots of 'skill' but do have some... from experiences, car driving course thru work (pushed company vehicles to their limits, learing to control the cars when they lose traction and skid etc...) on the track!!...

99.99% of the time those skills are useless on the road, and yet, by acquiring that skill set, it would be easier to mistake oneself for having good road craft.

[LilSel]

99.99% of the time those skills are useless on the road, and yet, by acquiring that skill set, it would be easier to mistake oneself for having good road craft.

So driver training courses etc are irrelevant? why have them then? the emergency services all do those courses...
I understand what you are saying... you dont just get a licence n that means you can drive/ride well... but surely by doin professional training etc its gotta make some kinda a diff...

I just dont think its all speed because of fast cars thats killing these kids...
Alcohol... drugs... lack of responsiblity and no respect for the law is what's killing them... the vehicle is really irrelevant... they could be in a bambina or a mini and still go fast enough to be killed...

[imdying]

I just dont think its all speed because of fast cars thats killing these kids...
Alcohol... drugs... lack of responsiblity and no respect for the law is what's killing them... the vehicle is really irrelevant... they could be in a bambina or a mini and still go fast enough to be killed...

I would go even further along that line... lack of respect for anyone including themselves. The vehicle can't be irrelevant though, it's a factor that presumably can be measured... the insurance companies would sure like to think so, and I'm guessing that their data is at least as accurate as anything the government has.

Powerful cars are easy to get into trouble in, there appears to be no doubt about that, I think we're fortunate that driver aids have progressed at the pace they have, or the stats could be much much worse? Having said that, bikes have no driver aids, and are considerably more powerful than twenty years ago, as a rider to bike ratio, I wonder if they're actually killing more people than they use to? I guess only the insurance companies would know that (I bet the government have no idea about which bikes are 'killers', just that a 'biker' died), and given that they aren't impossible or crazy expensive to insure even for the relatively young, I'm guessing not?

[Lou Girardin]

Comming into work last week. Northbound from Papakura to Newmarket.

Cage moving quite noticably in a serpentine motion in its own lane. WHen I pulle up beside it I glanced in and lo and behold there was a young lady casually eating her cereal from a bowl.

Bowl held in her left hand which also was holding the bottom of the steering wheel, right hand holding the spoon and shovelling the cereal to he mouth. Every time she went to get another spoonful the car verved left. When she moved the spoon to her mouth the car whent to the right. Something to do with her lowering her eyes everytime she filled up.

All this at speed up to 100kph.

Once I saw this I opened up and left this very "talented" driver way behind me.

If I had of seen a cop on the motorway I would have reported her

This sounds like a job for...............................Ta dahhhhh

Stebel man.


One blast of that and she'll be picking cornflakes out of her crutch all day.

[disenfranchised]

Now what I wish to ask is this:

How many of you think it is time for age vs performance to be legislated:
EG: Up to age 20 no cage of a capacity greater than 1300cc, and none turbo charged.
EG: Up to age 20 no bike above 125cc, and only one cylinder:

These examples are only examples to bounce about, and get feed back,
IE: age could be altered, some one may come up with another way.

Floors open, what do you think:

Similar to the riding a scooter on a full car license thing.
Limit the Power output, Max speed, and cc size of the engine.
(Not that many scooter riders seem to obey all 3 of these restrictions)

And instead of age, use a graduated licensing system:
Learner - must be supervised, car restricted by the license of the supervisor
Restricted - 1300cc, 100km/h max, 60Kw output
Full Basic - 2000cc, 120km/h max, 80Kw output
Full Advanced - 3000cc 150km/h max, 120Kw output
Race Driver - unlimited

not sure what figures to give to bikes really...even a 250cc with 22Kw seems plenty fast enough for me at the mo.

Make the advanced and race licenses have to be retested every few years, don't worry about age as the time between each license would mean you'd have to be old enough by the time you got to a race license, plus the extra revenue from all the extra licensing would offset the need for so many traffic cops, so they could go back to working on real crime.

[eviltwin]

when i was 15 i had a dirt bike in waiouru...got caught doing 125kph (80kph limit back then) on the dessert road by the only civvy cop there...i did a runner, but eventually got caught.
i was snapped for: no licence, no WOF, no rego, carrying a pillion passenger with no foot pegs or helmets, speeding, evading the police, flipping the bird...$25 fine.
he took my spark plug cap and key and said push it home ya little pricks!
we hotwired it and fucked off down the road 5 mins later, speeding again...who should drive past us, you guessed it, the same cop...we did another runner, half hour chase through the residential area. thought we had outsmarted/lost him but when we got back to my house he was sitting up the driveway. his son was my younger brothers best friend and knew where i lived. the following week i went for my drivers licence with the same cop.

my point is at that age, everything is a game.

fortunately back then it i was limited to driving my mums mini, which i think had a top end of about 110kph.

kids these days are no different in attitude, they just have access to more powerful vehicles.

governers etc won't bloody work, if the government tried to enforce that on me i would simply unbolt it and throw it in the bin, fuck the consequences!

there should be a couple of simple rules for driving:
if you're still a virgin...you shouldn't drive!
if your conversation skills are monosyllabic...you shouldn't drive!
if you were recently imported from asia and have an international licence...you shouldn't drive!

i like the idea of youth being allowed to drive, but in smaller/slower vehicles only, giving them time to learn to drive first before putting the foot down.

we had guys at school who drove $300 ford anglias with fuckin rich parents too, we didn't care what it looked like, it was transport / freedom, these day its all ego! if a retard parent wants to give their kid a more powerful car...it should get impounded! the cops are too fuckin soft.