From a cage perspective....

**Lucy** · 28th December 2006, 17:43

Ok I ride a motorbike, but I also drive a cage. Many many times on here I read things like:

" Na mate I was only going Nana speeds, never got over 120"

and:

"Blind bastard pulled out right in front of me"

My question is - how often are the two related? For example, out of my driveway there is a crest of a hill, if cars etc are going at around the speed limit, I have plenty of time to safely exit the drive. If I was to wait just in case there happened to be a bike coming up the hill at speed, I'd never get out. If I pulled out and hit a bike that was going 70 - 80, would they come on here and say 'blind bitch pulled out in front of me'???

**Mom** · 28th December 2006, 17:47

If you pull out of your driveway and a bike hits you, i find it hard to believe you could be called blind.......however, the biker mentality you display in the thinking about it is fantastic!........riding bikes makes you a bit sharper out there I think

**Gremlin** · 28th December 2006, 17:59

It has actually happened... more times than you really like to think about, with differing results from written off bikes, and riders being slightly injured or dying...

Also depends... I have noticed that cars generally won't sit at 100 constantly, through country side, as they can't do that round corners etc. So while I might sit on 100 most of the time, it is actually faster than cars anyway, as I am doing that down straight or corner.

**Motu** · 28th December 2006, 18:53

Originally Posted by Lucy

would they come on here and say 'blind bitch pulled out in front of me'???

Yes - however that does not mean you are a blind bitch who pulled out in front of them.It's just that they need someone to blame for their mistake...and if you are a chick in a car,that will do....if you drive a 4x4 that is even better.

You are not Asian are you? Now that would be the ultimate.

**Motig** · 28th December 2006, 18:59

Fair point , Lucy. Cant always be the other persons fault.

**pixc** · 28th December 2006, 23:35

Ive got a bit of a bugger of a driveway. I live at the end of a straight stretch of road just out of town. I have to stop before I pull into my drive because there is a nasty dip that leaves a nasty blind spot. 3 times there has been a near misses from people pulling in. You think you have a clear veiw but then a car seems to appear out of the dip and usually at great speed. I warn people to make sure they come to a complete stop before pulling in. The point I should be making is..you have to check and be sure. Make sure it wont be your fault.

**Lou Girardin** · 29th December 2006, 05:55

Originally Posted by Mom

If you pull out of your driveway and a bike hits you, i find it hard to believe you could be called blind.......:

It is ALWAYS the responsibilty of the person pulling out of the driveway to ensure the road is clear.
To do that you have to look, carefully, more than once.
I'm guessing you don't ride.

**sinned** · 29th December 2006, 06:27

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

It is ALWAYS the responsibilty of the person pulling out of the driveway to ensure the road is clear.
To do that you have to look, carefully, more than once.
I'm guessing you don't ride.

If you start to pull out of the driveway when the way is clear and a bike appears; going too fast to stop in half the distance to driveway then it is the bike rider's fault. Can't be more simple?

**TonyB** · 29th December 2006, 07:49

Lou, I find your attitude bewildering. Lucy said that if traffic is moving at the speed limit, she has time to pull out. She implied that if traffic is travelling at 70 - 80 she can't pull out safely, because she can't see them as she pulls out, but they will be on top her before she has time get underway.
How is she supposed to know that there is traffic on the other side of a hill crest that is travelling over the speed limit? Is she supposed to have ESP, or ground penetrating radar :spudwhat:

**Maha** · 29th December 2006, 08:16

Originally Posted by Lucy

If I pulled out and hit a bike that was going 70 - 80, would they come on here and say 'blind bitch pulled out in front of me'???

Yes they would, and then everyone chimes in with similar stories, its a bit like the old saying ' the customer is never wrong'....and we all know thats not always the case, sometimes they are. I had an incident yester day, turning left at the light, behind a 'blind bitch' in a RAV, green arrow, and she stoped!!
Almost dented my lovely riding machine, came very close, in this case the 'Blind stupid i dont give a fuck about anyone else Bitch' was IMHO was one of those drivers....

**Pixie** · 29th December 2006, 09:40

Originally Posted by Lucy

Ok I ride a motorbike, but I also drive a cage. Many many times on here I read things like:

" Na mate I was only going Nana speeds, never got over 120"

and:

"Blind bastard pulled out right in front of me"

My question is - how often are the two related? For example, out of my driveway there is a crest of a hill, if cars etc are going at around the speed limit, I have plenty of time to safely exit the drive. If I was to wait just in case there happened to be a bike coming up the hill at speed, I'd never get out. If I pulled out and hit a bike that was going 70 - 80, would they come on here and say 'blind bitch pulled out in front of me'???

Almost all accidents are caused by accident pixies.
Very rarely are the drivers at fault,regardless what official accident reports may say.

**Lucy** · 29th December 2006, 12:16

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I'm guessing you don't ride.

I do ride, I'm guessing you don't read?

**crashe** · 29th December 2006, 12:23

Ok as I understand it....... technically you are not meant to reverse out of a driveway.... (See roadcode well its in there somewhere just dont ask me where)

That you are meant to always drive out of the driveway...... so that way you can see what is coming and that the clearway is in fact clear when entering the road.

But in most cases just about everyone drives down into their driveway and reverses out of the driveway. Only cos they dont have a turning bay in the driveway.

So I guess we are meant to do some sort of turn around in the street and reverse down into our driveways.... oh and hit the flaming pushbike or toy that is left out on the driveway.....

**Lucy** · 29th December 2006, 16:07

Originally Posted by maha man

. I had an incident yester day, turning left at the light, behind a 'blind bitch' in a RAV, green arrow, and she stoped!!
Almost dented my lovely riding machine, came very close, in this case the 'Blind stupid i dont give a fuck about anyone else Bitch' was IMHO was one of those drivers....

I'm glad it was only an almost dent. Sounds like you being on a bike didnt affect the situation though, no matter how frustrating it was! One day I was behind a couple of cops in a cop car who were stopped at a green arrow. I wasted a few seconds plucking up the courage to blast my horn, and when I did they looked at me first 'who the hell toots a cop' before looking to see why I tooted them, then THEY made it through (orange/red) but I had to wait for the next one. Grrrr. I wished I'd just honked first and not been so chicken.

**Goblin** · 29th December 2006, 16:23

Originally Posted by maha man

Almost dented my lovely riding machine, came very close, in this case the 'Blind stupid i dont give a fuck about anyone else Bitch' was IMHO was one of those drivers....

I had one of these the other day in my car...only it was an asian guy...ran right up his arse...put a nice dent in the center of my bumper. Now my cage looks really rough and everyone gets out of my way

edit: The silly thing was, it was a give way and I was busy looking right again for speeding bikes when the dude stopped at a clear road.

Glad you're both still in one piece.