From a cage perspective....

[doc]

I do ride, I'm guessing you don't read?

You are going to be great to watch on this site, good on ya girl. Lou 0 Lucy 1

[McJim]

Yeah - the point she was making was that because of the distance between her drive and the blind summit that anyone exceeding the speedlimit would hit her car before she had a chance to do anything about it.

Blind summit + excessive speed = disaster.

In this case not the fault of the car - but it's hypothesis only.

I was a cyclist for years and thought of motorcyclists as blind bastards a lot of the time - especially when the fuckers went down twisty hills slower than me, blocking the lane and using their brakes. FFS who uses brakes downhill? It's the only time you get to top 80kph!

See - everyone needs someone to blame.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

See - everyone needs someone to blame.

I hate walking down the street and grandma blocks the way ahead with her trolly and stupid dog...

[Virago]

It is interesting to compare this thread with the recent poll which suggested a higher speed limit (or perhaps no speed limit) for bikes. Go figure........

An interesting observation, Lucy - nice one.

[kadams]

Ok as I understand it....... technically you are not meant to reverse out of a driveway.... (See roadcode well its in there somewhere just dont ask me where)

That you are meant to always drive out of the driveway...... so that way you can see what is coming and that the clearway is in fact clear when entering the road.

But in most cases just about everyone drives down into their driveway and reverses out of the driveway. Only cos they dont have a turning bay in the driveway.

So I guess we are meant to do some sort of turn around in the street and reverse down into our driveways.... oh and hit the flaming pushbike or toy that is left out on the driveway.....

As I was told last year by police here in the hutt after a minor fender bender, whenever you are in reverse on the road you are in the wrong, whether it was the other persons fault or not by law the person reversing is in the wrong. Sad but true, made me swear at the time never to reverse on the road again. Didnt last long, but now I at least look EVERYWHERE when I do.

[doc]

Fair point , Lucy. Cant always be the other persons fault.

I agree. The group rides I go on, when you see a group up front passing cars before say a 35k corner, they know that they can safely get past and brake in time to take the corner comfortably. The cage driver who is insulated from the conditions with radio, heater, sound insulation etc from the outside and not so quite concerned about making a mistake. I think it scares them when the bike is right in their face, you see all the cars brake lights come on which from my point of view seems a little unecessary, we ride two abreast and in close proximity with each other safely and unsafely at times but the car driver is not travelling with a group and has probably the other half in their ear telling them about the following distance. I think riders are more defensive, but at their own expense they protect them selves but cause the others to make mistakes. This is as its been told to me cos I'm always up front so I've never seen what I've just been told if you get my dirft.

[kevie]

Yes - however that does not mean you are a blind bitch who pulled out in front of them.It's just that they need someone to blame for their mistake...and if you are a chick in a car,that will do....if you drive a 4x4 that is even better.

You are not Asian are you? Now that would be the ultimate.

ooooohhhhh low blow ....... oppps ......... hang on .......... thinking about it now......... hhhhhmmmmmm ......... oh yeh ...... my last crash was an female/ asian/ in a 4x4 hahaahahhaah she went through a give way sign and T-boned my bike, she was nice about it tho after she got over the misguided belief I was in the wrong she even offered me a job driving a brand new Mack (chokes/throws up) I declined .... prefer my brand new R500 Scania.

She done just over $2000 damage to my bike and dam insurance wouldnt write it off had visions of inhereting a new 1400 Intruder LOL