Tena Koutou

**duckman** · 27th July 2004, 14:34

I am responsible for supporting and nurturing my language and culture ....
I presume Maori would consider themselves responsible for nurturing their langage and culture .... Why must I learn the maori language in order to understand the nightly news ???
I have witnessed this change in the "NZ's" media over the last few years and find it annoying to say the least. We have a Maori news show and a Maori television network, (excellent) so why does "mainstream" news (i.e TV1) also broadcast to me in dual languages?? - Anyone??

**Hitcher** · 27th July 2004, 15:02

I too am all in favour of keeping languages alive as a way of preserving cultural heritage -- particularly languages at risk from a predatory language such as English.

I also believe that any language needs to be treated with courtesy and respect. To that end I have a difficulty with people who appear to favour pidginisation of Maori: e.g. "Kia ora Bro. Let's score some kai." or "Let's korero with the tamariki." Such usage is inane and a real kick in the puku for any real effort to preserve from extinction a unique language.

**750Y** · 27th July 2004, 15:06

I can't answer your questions duckman, I would like to be able to but I can't. I'm sorry that You find it so annoying, just change the channel next time, it's not fair for You to to have to feel annoyed just cos you wanna watch the news. Definitely contact TV1 regarding this if You feel strongly enough about it, I'm sure they have a complaints procedure which You can go through or even better they may be able to give you an explanation regarding this. If enough people do this maybe it can be changed back to how it was before.
"I really don't mind if You sit this one out...
my words but a whisper, deafness a shout" ...Jethro Tull

**Deano** · 27th July 2004, 15:13

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I too am all in favour of keeping languages alive as a way of preserving cultural heritage -- particularly languages at risk from a predatory language such as English.
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With globalisation, don't you consider that the widespread use of one language makes international communication much easier ?

**vifferman** · 27th July 2004, 15:15

Originally Posted by MikeL

Signs like Horoi o ringa ringa could be seen as a form of tokenism and strictly speaking are illogical. Any literate Maori will be literate in English as well. As well, the expensive and time-consuming practice of translating official documents into Maori serves no practical purpose other than to provide employment for graduates of te reo.

Yup.
And you forgot to mention the crazy leftist tokenist political correctness that bestows a Maori name on each of our Gummint departments. Why??!?? How does that help anyone? Pharked iffen I know (but then, that's not surprising, as I know less than pharkall....)

**James Deuce** · 27th July 2004, 15:25

Originally Posted by Deano

With globalisation, don't you consider that the widespread use of one language makes international communication much easier ?

There's nothing new under the sun, and despite the way media present the phenomenon, globalisation is nothing new either. Cultures that used globalisation all used a common language as a core tool, for instance Latin for the Roman, Holy Roman, and Papal empires, and "Lingua Franca" or "Court French" for post-renaissance Europe, right up until the early 20th Century. The Venetians and Florentines were exceptional globalist economic empires, covering the breadth of the European and Asian land masses, and probably ultimately responsible for the collapse of the very technologically advanced Moghul India culture.

Cultures that come into conflict with the issues of Globalisation either adapt positively or or adopt a bunker mentality and wither. It is an unpleasant by-product of the Capitalist economic system that cultures without a monetary value system, or with emphasis on a spiritual or philosophical belief system tend to get exploited or regarded as "undeveloped".

**Devil** · 27th July 2004, 15:27

Originally Posted by Deano

.....globalisation.....

SHHHHH, some greenie might misunderstand you and start protesting!

**750Y** · 27th July 2004, 15:35

Originally Posted by Jim2

There's nothing new under the sun, and despite the way media present the phenomenon, globalisation is nothing new either. Cultures that used globalisation all used a common language as a core tool, for instance Latin for the Roman, Holy Roman, and Papal empires, and "Lingua Franca" or "Court French" for post-renaissance Europe, right up until the early 20th Century. The Venetians and Florentines were exceptional globalist economic empires, covering the breadth of the European and Asian land masses, and probably ultimately responsible for the collapse of the very technologically advanced Moghul India culture.

Cultures that come into conflict with the issues of Globalisation either adapt positively or or adopt a bunker mentality and wither. It is an unpleasant by-product of the Capitalist economic system that cultures without a monetary value system, or with emphasis on a spiritual or philosophical belief system tend to get exploited or regarded as "undeveloped".

good grief, try saying that in Maori LOL. some things were just never meant to be i spose.

**greenhorn** · 27th July 2004, 16:00

Tena kou tou is a special greeting reserved for tow truck drivers as in it's full expression... Tena kou tou car towa

I can hear the collective groans from here

**duckman** · 27th July 2004, 16:12

Originally Posted by 750Y

I can't answer your questions duckman, I would like to be able to but I can't. I'm sorry that You find it so annoying, just change the channel next time, it's not fair for You to to have to feel annoyed just cos you wanna watch the news. Definitely contact TV1 regarding this if You feel strongly enough about it, I'm sure they have a complaints procedure which You can go through or even better they may be able to give you an explanation regarding this. If enough people do this maybe it can be changed back to how it was before.
"I really don't mind if You sit this one out...
my words but a whisper, deafness a shout" ...Jethro Tull

Heya Dave, We've met so I hope you'll know that I'm not trying to take the piss... If I change channels, where do I go... to channel 3 where the same thing is happening..to the maori channel, where I won't understand anything at all..?? You are right tho', if I was REALLY annoyed by this shift in PC'nes then I should do something about it. Maybe a complaint to TV1 or 3 would have an effect but I bet my request would be binned as another redneck racist bagging mainstream media for trying to reach all peoples.. Honestly, do you think "they" would care ???

**Devil** · 27th July 2004, 16:23

Tin a cocoa car tour?

**bungbung** · 27th July 2004, 16:31

Originally Posted by duckman

Heya Dave, We've met so I hope you'll know that I'm not trying to take the piss... If I change channels, where do I go...

BBC world service? Prime news? Sky Aust? CNN etc etc

**duckman** · 27th July 2004, 16:41

Originally Posted by bungbung

BBC world service? Prime news? Sky Aust? CNN etc etc

All relatively good "international" new services eh.. But don't you think I should be allowed to watch a NZ news broadcast in English?

**MikeL** · 27th July 2004, 16:47

Originally Posted by Deano

As a linguist, could you possibly explain the need to pronounce 'ask', as 'aks',

Certainly.

In terms of diachronic phonology it's the result of a natural tendency towards transposition of certain sounds (technically known as metathesis) found in many languages besides English.

Or it's just crap pronunciation...