Is a litre bike too fast AND quick for the street?

**Madmax** · 9th January 2007, 09:50

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

I think you're all missing the point, anything can be ridden at 100k, and something built to do 300 will be safer than something built to do 200 when ridden calmly.

BUT when the average smo starts trying to screw some performance outta it (unless he's on the motorway) it's gonna get messy.

btw, I've been riding about 25 years (shit is it that long!!) own a 200+hp turbo, and have owned a ZX12, and ridden both of bruces thou's. I'm also faster than most. I may well know what I'm talking about too.

I'll say no more on this.

bruce had a go on my 10 ( ive been riding about as long )was just after his hands got better (mine never hav)

**SimJen** · 9th January 2007, 10:58

Originally Posted by N4CR

For the average rider yes fair enough, with the right rider they are pretty similar...

Performance:
ZX-6R ('03)
6/03
1/4 mile 10.67 @ 131.0
60-80 mph 4.34
80-100 mph 4.3
top speed 158.5 mph

04 10r gets 9.92 http://www.sportrider.com/features/1...erbikes_strip/

I've seen timesheets of 600's getting low 10's with just a pipe, as do litre bikes. Sure on a roll the litre bike will kill a 600 (saw the difference last night infact) but all in all they ain't really much slower down the strip. I see alot of average riders getting 11's on them though so your comment is valid for most riders.

Still virtually a second off though, put a pipe on a thou and get lower too....
Top speed is 20mph faster on a 1000 too (GixThou).
Gixxer K5/K6 1000 = 1/4 mile 9.7 @ 148mph
Gixxer K5/K6 600 = 1/4 mile 10.6 @ 130ish mph
Kwaka ZX6 06 = 1/4 10.8 @ 129mph
Kwaka ZX10R = 1/4 mile 9.7 @ 149mph
These are from http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_...rs/index8.html and http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_...rs/index5.html
I don't bother with dragging anyways, waste of time. The bikes were made for the track or twisties.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 9th January 2007, 11:11

whippy a whole second... big huge difference on the open road when you are only allow to do 100k...

on the track kewl...

on the open road

**onearmedbandit** · 9th January 2007, 11:23

All he is saying is that there is a difference between 1/4 mile times of the two cc groups. On the open road it's so much more than that, as I said before I can twist the grip in top at 100km/h and pass like the cars going backwards. On a 600 it's not the same.

**SimJen** · 9th January 2007, 11:31

who sticks to 100 everywhere? I ride to suit the conditions, sometimes those conditions dictate I can go faster, yes its illegal but I take the risk as do many others on KB.
Jeez the world would be a boring place if we all lived by the rules.
Point is stock litre bikes are faster, and considerably so! not just on the quarter mile but everywhere.
Not knocking 600's, but thems the facts and noone can dispute it.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 9th January 2007, 11:48

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

All he is saying is that there is a difference between 1/4 mile times of the two cc groups. On the open road it's so much more than that, as I said before I can twist the grip in top at 100km/h and pass like the cars going backwards. On a 600 it's not the same.

But you can still pass all the cars... it may take a second longer and you need to change down a gear

I could do that on a GN doing 120... took longer and I had to judge the distance more...

By law even during a passing manouver you are not allowed to go over the 100kms (though I sorta disagree with this it is the law, because it is easy to misjudge the speed of on coming trafic, and sometimes you do need the extra burst...)

If all vechiles and drivers could travel and drive at constant 100ks (even in corners) then no one (in theory) would not need to over take. Traffic would flow and less accidents caused by reckless manouvers. But alas

and yes it is a boring speed for a well maintained bike and good rider that can handle that bike (any bike)

So now back to the orginal question. Is a litre bike too fast AND quick for the street? Yes.... anything (bike, car, truck...) that can do over 100k (under present law) is too quick for the street (and open road). If you ride or drive that vehicle at the posted speed limit then then no ist not, it comes back to self control.

That covers the legal side.

In reality and at the end of the day, we don't need vehicles that can do 250kph, only on a race track.

As for, is it safe? can our roads handle it? can you handle it? can other drivers and vehicles handle being zipped passed at a gilzon miles per hour? ... blah blah blah thats a whole other thread.

**onearmedbandit** · 9th January 2007, 11:51

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

But you can still pass all the cars... it may take a second longer and you need to change down a gear

I could do that on a GN doing 120... took longer and I had to judge the distance more...

That's just one example. There are many reasons I prefer my thou over my 750 (relating to the power it makes). I still disagree that a thou is too fast for the street. Same reason as yours however, it comes down to self control. Just on a thou you need more self control.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 9th January 2007, 11:55

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Just on a thou you need more self control.

yup... tell me about

**avgas** · 9th January 2007, 15:19

Originally Posted by mstriumph

erm

is this thread in danger of turning into one of those chest-beating, testosterine-charged, testicular-bullshit sessions we swore to avoid after last year?

just asking ...........

Hope so, cos im really getting sick of beer forums

**avgas** · 9th January 2007, 15:26

Is a LADA* too fast for NZ roads......hell yes, those things do 110

**dawnrazor** · 9th January 2007, 16:16

taken from a recent(ish) copy of PB, with reference to the GSX-R1000K5/6, seems to answer the question for me:

"There are plenty of reasons why detractors reckon you'd want a GSXR1000K5 or K6. Most of them are to do with a precieved manhood inadequacy, a compensation for less-than-average riding ability or even that you have more money then sense of self preservation.

But sometimes its all to easy to forget the pure joy of owning the ultimate, and then riding it to work everyday."

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 9th January 2007, 16:20

Originally Posted by avgas

Is a LADA* too fast for NZ roads......

yes... mainly because ladas are to fast for them self the start falling apart at 95, and by 100 become unstable and by 110 out control...

**SPman** · 9th January 2007, 16:53

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Just on a thou you need more self control.

On the road,to get the most from a 1000, you need to be very self disciplined.
I've ridden with some riders on 1000's, who where excellent in that regard - Sensei, Uncle B, DMTD, Death, his mate Sam, spring to mind. There are others as well, but, generally,they all showed self discipline where it mattered and all are/were pretty capable riders.

I've also ridden with some who were not!!

Ridability has a lot to do with it. I had a K4 GSXR and found the throttle too sensitive by half - like a hair spring trigger - had to ride with my throttle hand braced, particularly in slower, bumpier bits of road, to maintain any semblance of throttle control - yet, the K5 I rode was a pussycat by comparison! Just so easy to ride, and ride fast, compared to the K4! Well. the K4 was fast - you just had to work at it a bit more - more of an edge!

That is what makes the 1000's so good, yet so dangerous - they are so deceptively easy to ride at ballistic speeds, that almost anyone can get on one and go, yet not realise just how fast they are going until they have to do something - corner, brake, avoid an obstacle and if you haven't had a good basic riding grounding, you're gonna be more f**ked than someone who has had the experience, who has got more idea of just how fast these things things are and disciplines himself accordingly.

The race track is an entirely different ballgame!

**EZAS** · 9th January 2007, 17:30

If a thou is to fast for the street, then for every reason that a thou is to fast for the street a 600 is too, in exactly the same respect, I'd even say a 400cc would be as well. Only for the reason that they can hit un-needed speeds.

From a legal perspective, a thou is just as good/safe as a 600 because you can only do 100kmh as posted by NighthawkNZ therefore both are very capable but it comes down to the rider. If the rider isn't able to show restraint, then they may find themselves playing wheelchair basketball with me