Graeme William Burton in custody

**Hitcher** · 8th January 2007, 19:52

And as a one-time "tankie" I would have preferred the MP5K that the SAS used, rather than having to heft an SLR around.

**sAsLEX** · 8th January 2007, 19:55

Originally Posted by Hitcher

SLR around.

Been superseded they have by Steyrs, nice little 5.56 bullets now.

**Hitcher** · 8th January 2007, 20:01

There's something strangely reassuring about standing behind a 7.62mm slug going the opposite direction at about 840 metres a second.

**James Deuce** · 8th January 2007, 20:57

SLR/FN-FAL's are great for felling gum trees. Any softwood tree actually.

You pin one of those targets that were a commie's head with the helmet with the red star and keep firing until the tree falls down. Good fun.

**Ixion** · 8th January 2007, 21:17

Watch it wiv the head.

**sAsLEX** · 8th January 2007, 22:17

Originally Posted by Hitcher

There's something strangely reassuring about standing behind a 7.62mm slug going the opposite direction at about 840 metres a second.

If you ever get the opportunity watch a Howitzer display, reassuring standing behind them as they hurl the shells but go to the other end ........ glad I am in the Navy, 115mm airbursting does not look like fun to be anywhere near!

**scumdog** · 8th January 2007, 23:00

Originally Posted by RT527

Yup and they are also a Bloody sight more accurate than a glock at 25 metres .

Cartridge 9 × 19 mm Luger
Action Roller-delayed blowback, closed bolt
Rate of fire 800 round/min
Muzzle velocity 270 m/s (886 ft/s)
Effective range 200 m (219 yd)
Feed system 15- or 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights Rear: rotary diopter; front: tritium hooded post.

Used a .40cal version, a lot more whack and on three-shot mode was VERY accurate

**scumdog** · 8th January 2007, 23:13

Originally Posted by davereid

Swat in the USA use Bushmasters or similar. But non specialists use pump action shot guns, not because they are a better weapon, but because at close range they are better than a handgun or sawn off shotty. Maybe, given the amount of time our cops spend on firearm training, we should have got them Shotguns for the GD lads.

It just seems to me, that a handgun is selected because its easy to carry. So for a generally unarmed police force, its the wrong gun. If they need arming, they need a weapon that is effective, easy to use, and if you get it wrong not going to be killing bystanders 2km away.

I'm sure if the cops in this case DID NOT have access to handguns, they would have taken the Bushmasters. That would have given us a better outcome. But better again would have been a 12ga pump action !

Shotguns tend to be a bit hazardous to bystanders and innocents due to their indescriminate flinging of lead - if your going to launch shot big enough to bring a large offender down it's going to travel a long way if it doesn't embed itself in the intended target (and it keeps spreading).

The Gov't won't supply enough M4s for every cop to have one

The Glock is handy because you never have to remember to bring it with you as you bail out of the car (or try and find space for it in the car AND have it handy.

This site has a big population of "Monday morning quarterbacks" who are unembarrassed at publicising their 'expert' knowledge - especailly if it's 20-20 hindsight knowledge.

**doc** · 9th January 2007, 06:18

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

If you ever get the opportunity watch a Howitzer display, reassuring standing behind them as they hurl the shells but go to the other end ........ glad I am in the Navy, 115mm airbursting does not look like fun to be anywhere near!

Seems that for a sailor you know a lot about the the soldier weapons, you are turning it into another gun porn thread.

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 06:48

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Steyrs come in two lengths in the NZDF...

Ah. I did wonder, after posting, if that might have been the case. One learns something every day.

Originally Posted by scumdog

This site has a big population of "Monday morning quarterbacks"...

I believe the technical term is "mall ninjas".

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 06:49

Originally Posted by doc

... you are turning it into another gun porn thread.

Gun porn threads are the new beer threads.

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 06:51

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Could it be that it didn't take off his leg, just did irrepairable nerve and artery damage?

Sarcasm, dude.

You obviously haven't been subjected to the heat of the 9mm-vs-.45ACP debate, with the endless WW2 stories about how Uncle Jim shot a Jap in the pinky finger with his FOWERTY FAHVE and the hydrostatic shock blew the Jap's head clean off. And then what was left of the Jap's body flew 18 feet straight back from the impact and took out a tank.

Et cetera.

Beats me why H&K haven't released the MP5 in .45ACP. The US Army could retire all their Barretts.

**James Deuce** · 9th January 2007, 07:03

Originally Posted by Fish

You obviously haven't been subjected to the heat of the 9mm-vs-.45ACP debate, with the endless WW2 stories about how Uncle Jim shot a Jap in the pinky finger with his FOWERTY FAHVE and the hydrostatic shock blew the Jap's head clean off. And then what was left of the Jap's body flew 18 feet straight back from the impact and took out a tank.

I wonder if any of them watch Myth Busters?

**riffer** · 9th January 2007, 07:46

Originally Posted by Fish

Sarcasm, dude.

You obviously haven't been subjected to the heat of the 9mm-vs-.45ACP debate, with the endless WW2 stories about how Uncle Jim shot a Jap in the pinky finger with his FOWERTY FAHVE and the hydrostatic shock blew the Jap's head clean off. And then what was left of the Jap's body flew 18 feet straight back from the impact and took out a tank.

Meh. Totally busted last week by Mythbusters.

I also see no comment on the recent news about Napier Police carrying guns.