We listened, now kindly naff off...

[sAsLEX]

In reality unless your pipe is facing forward they are not going to hear you so I think that is a mute argument (no pun intended).

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I can FEEL let alone HEAR when quasi and the other twins with pipes aproach from the rear, thats over 18k of 250 and a fair bit of wind noise!

[Quasievil]

Well my Bike aint noisy anyway

[DEATH_INC.]

Sorry Dave but that line of yours is crap (IMHO)
I watch people sudenly look around as they here me comming and I know they cant see me in there mirrors cos I cant see them in it, and yes of course if there stero if redlining they may not here anything.

Now as an example there is a VTR that splits past me on the way home most nights and up till one week ago he had the stock cans on and I would NOT here him comming....... however he now has Remus cans on and I DO here him comming from at least 3 cars back, and FWIW his cans point rearwards

I was gonna say that too.I hear bikes with pipes coming from behind in my 4X4 (can't say you never heard that hardley on open pipes...)and I noticed the difference in driver response on the gixx,the fzr and the zx12 when I fitted a race can.....

[Wenier]

Most drivers dont have the stereo up loud or rev the shit out of their car so you pretty well assured that wit a loud can youll b heard, and youll no if you have been cus theyll b checkin their mirrors trying to figure out wut ya doing when your jus following them. Can help round here cus people tend to stop and let you go past.

[Drunken Monkey]

definitely a below par performance from the LTSA. Whats the next step to be taken??

Civil disobedience!

[Oscar]

What a bunch of dorks.

Here you are, crapping on about letting car drivers hear you (and how loud would your exhaust have to be, pray tell, to penetrate the environs of the average newish car?), so as to know you're there. Yeah right...

In the meantime, the poor bastids behind you in traffic, and those living nearby, have to put up with the noise. Result? Motorcycles become more marginalised as people get fed up.

Me, I hate hotted up Rotaries.
Why?
'Cause there's a couple in my neighbourhood and they're noisy little anti-social backward cap wearing retards whose arse I'd kick soon as look at 'em....problem is, I never see them - I just HEAR them as they go home late at night. If my local politician wanted my opinion as to what to do with loud exhausts on cars, I'd be hard pressed not to recommend capital punishment.

So please, don't gimme this "Loud pipes saves lives" shit. It's bullshit and you know it - all it's doing is making sure the legislation comes sooner and is more draconian.

[Motu]

Yeah,I was real pissed off at some local wanker who blatted up and down at night on his bloody two stroke every night for a couple of weeks - then we found the dead frog in the empty corrogated iron water tank.

We are moving towards the Euro ''CE'' compliance regulations,every component...lamps,tyres,glazing meets certain standards - ultimatly the whole vehicle will be made to meet a standard,not many compliance regs,just the one - one item not up to build standard and it's a noncompliance issue.Make more noise and they will shut you up,one way or another....your choice.

[Bob]

Just wait until the EU emissions regulations start heading your way (it'll happen, no doubt about it. The EU are pretty damn powerful now - and the last round of emission regulations that came out in 2003 killed off some good bikes - and I mean stopped production. Old Fazer was the highest profile victim but there were lots of bikes had to be deleted from the manufacturers listings. At some point the EU and US will look to harmonise regs - and when that happens, everyone else will be pressured to fall in line).

When they do, you'll all be looking back at the 'Good Old Days'!

[What?]

Well put, Oscar. My submission to the LTSA was entirely to do with the lack of scientific testing for compliance to the noise rule, and the lack of parity between different classes of vehicle. I personally couldn't give a fuck if my F650 was considered to be too loud so long as the testers can give accurate, repeatable results, and trucks were required to meet the same standard.
And as for "loud pipes save lives" - utter bullshit. Possibly even endangers a few as tin top drivers don't hear the open-piped Hogly coming from behind until it is right beside them, giving them a hell of a fright. When Gramps gets a fright, who knows what (s)he might do...
This does not mean I don't like the sound of a 916 running Termignoni's. I do. It's just a matter of application of a law in a way that can be demonstrated to be fair. It also would mean no more Jacobs brakes on trucks

[Motu]

Well put, Oscar. My submission to the LTSA was entirely to do with the lack of scientific testing for compliance to the noise rule, and the lack of parity between different classes of vehicle. I personally couldn't give a fuck if my F650 was considered to be too loud so long as the testers can give accurate, repeatable results, and trucks were required to meet the same standard.

That's the whole point - because they can't produce a meaningful test proceedure they will ultimatly fall back on the original manufacturers compliance test...so a non original system will be a fail,push this issue and that will be the outcome.The LTSA have backed off on this one,just let it be for now.

[Deano]

The 1976 Road Traffic Reg's does contain an objective test to test vehicle noise. It refers to British Standard 3425 or ISO Recommendation R362.

So talk of a new test is bollocks really. Legislators always seem to be good at making new laws in the face of public outcry, when more often that not existing laws will suffice - they just haven't been actively enforced.

As far as the safety issue goes, how many motorists do not see you on your bike. People certainly hear me when I approach from behind nowadays.

The issue of some hoon screaming up and down the road at night with a loud exhaust is called offensive behaviour. My mate was pulled over once and the cop said you don't ride this bike at night do you (loud exhaust), so is a loud exhaust during the daytime really an issue ?

How about getting all the noisy buses off the streets then ?

In the Dominion Post this morning, there is a new catseye speed camera being touted as the next best thing in speeding enforcement - maybe it could be time to purchase that race bike.

[White trash]

- maybe it could be time to purchase that race bike.

Pre '89 brother! Do it! Cheap as chips, use your race bike as a road bike.

[Devil]

so is a loud exhaust during the daytime really an issue ?

It is when its (most commonly) attached to a 4cyl (integra anyone?), making it physically painful to listen to when revved. I dont know how they manage to make those particular frequencies that loud and sharp but I just want to beat the fucker senseless.

I dont mind louder exhausts (when they're on there for a reason), but ones that are too sharp should fuck right off. I can feel my eardrum rattling.
gah.

[Drunken Monkey]

What a bunch of dorks.

How's about, "go fuck yourself".

No need for that kind of trash talk, presumptuous asshole.

You probably said something midly intellectual after that statement, but I chose to ignore it.

[Oscar]

How's about, "go fuck yourself".

No need for that kind of trash talk, presumptuous asshole.

You probably said something midly intellectual after that statement, but I chose to ignore it.

Oh you poor thing.
Imagine getting mild personal abuse on the internet...shock horror!
I would imagine that far from ignoring the rest of my comment, you struggled to understand it.

Ps. I never said who was included in the "bunch". Motu and What? obviously didn't think they were - "Cap fits" eh?