Originally Posted by spudchucka
Ahh, ok what if it's an Suzuki RE5 or JPS Norton rotary then??
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Ahh, ok what if it's an Suzuki RE5 or JPS Norton rotary then??
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Is that you being subjective or objective Spud? I tend to agree that realy loud annoying pipes on ANYTHING is not a good idea, but then again,I am half deaf so what would i know. As long as HD's keep getting WoF's there is no way my Guzzi will fail.Perhaps testing stations will have to keep a "control" model of each vehicle for comparison.
Its simple really, all motorcycles should be allowed performance exhausts - within reasonable sound levels, V8's and other nice sounding muscle cars can have performance exhausts too. Blaat, Blaat, Blaat Rotary's should be blown up on sight and rice rocket jockeys with big bore droney exhausts and blow off valves should be beaten senseless for sport.
Well thats my take on the subject anyway.
On another note(exscuse the pun) do individual submissions carry as much weight as, say, one from the likes of BRONZ?
Unfortunately we are a minority group and there is no political gain to be had pandering to us in any way as some other minority groups get pandered to.
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New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world that allows vehicle owners to fit tyres to their vehicles of a lesser standard than those fitted by the manufacturer. Not good enough, in my view, and an area that should be regulated to enhance safety.
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Great, so we have to have manufacturer’s listings for all vehicles trialed with particular tires. If you have a Ford Laser then most likely this won’t restrict what kind of tires you can fit. If not then maybe you are invalidating your insurance. Heaven help you if you fit mags with non std tires to you vehicle.
Not that I would, my Van runs on steels. Wouldn’t mind some OZ forgeds for my YZF though.
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Deus ex ukulele
Before getting up in arms it would be useful to determine what it is that we want here. If we're seeking no regulation so that we can hoon around on full-throat v-twins and howling fours, we can kiss that wish goodbye. It's a no-brainer -- there will be noise control regulations.
Surely the issue is "how much noise is too much?" The real answer to that is that it's a matter of time and place. But from a regulator's point of view they can't control time and place but they can limit the amount the noise that comes out the hole at the end of the pipe. And they will.
An argument that says that vehicle noise is important to enhance road safety isn't going to impress the regulators, so forget about advancing that option.
It's up to us to ensure that we get "sensible" rather than "whisper quiet" as an outcome of any regulation. This requires us as bikers to be sensible and realistic. We are members of a wider community and we need to be sensitive to that community's wants and needs.
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Deus ex ukulele
You misunderstand. Most countries have regulations that vehicles be fitted with tyres no less than the standard fitted by the manufacturer. If you want to fit superior wheels and tyres, no problemo!
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Yes problemo. What is superior? Well we’ll need a list. . . otherwise it’s just as subjective as the noise test.
Do you think the legislators will say well it came out on Michelin pilots but it’s ok to fit Diablos, but not Azaros?
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And some people would say that you're a humourless cop, who's a stickler for the rules. Good one, Spud!Perhaps testing stations will have to keep a "control" model of each vehicle for comparison.
Its simple really, all motorcycles should be allowed performance exhausts - within reasonable sound levels, V8's and other nice sounding muscle cars can have performance exhausts too. Blaat, Blaat, Blaat Rotary's should be blown up on sight and rice rocket jockeys with big bore droney exhausts and blow off valves should be beaten senseless for sport.
Well thats my take on the subject anyway.
... and that's what I think.
Or summat.
Or maybe not...
Dunno really....
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I guess the fact that four-in-to-one pipes that are noisey sound like you are mving along at a rate of knots has not escaped people on here. Two-in-to-one can sound just as fast, wonders if thats why some people get hassled over their speed?
Work? I want to go ride!
the real tragedy of all this new legislation banter is that it completely misses the problem... and causes other people to miss it as well.
the problem is not people with performance pipes driving sensibly down the street. Who has EVER had an issue with someone doing that? If a sports bike goes flying down the traffic at full blat, the car drivers will get freaked if they don't notice him first because they will either see him flash past very close or hear him zoom past. The noise is irrelevant.
Also, to say that there is no relationship between noise output of a vehicle and pedestrian/driver awareness simply shows you boys haven't done your research (just like LTSA!). Ever manufacturer of hybrid/electric vehicles KNOWS it is a problem with these quieter types and is having to come up with other ways around the problem. get your head out of the sand and go find out instead of spouting off. All the info is out there if you choose to look.
The problem is that some people who happen to have performance pipes choose to act irresponsibly and generate a hell of a lot of noise in one location. If 1% of all licenced drivers engage in this behaviour and are generally more likely to avoid legislated requirements ANYWAY, how does forcing the other 99% of the non-problem drivers into ridiculous subjective limits stop the problem? It doesn't! that was part of the basis for my submission about the proposed rules. Its like putting a cast over a gangrenous leg, it's the right area but the wrong treatment.
Incidentally, the EU limits on noise are now being geared towards control of flowing traffic noise output, generally the result of tyres and not the exhaust. To my knowledge, no standards organisation has proposed a new exhaust test for all vehicles that is regarded as superior to the BS362/ISO that was generated in 1976... what makes the LTSA/Police Dept of Meddling think they have the scientific nouse to do it is quite beyond me!!
lets think clearly people. Do your research then post eh?
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My Neptunz are loud, but I wouldn't consider them stupidly loud, and they have passed a WOF. Ive had no noise complaints but drivers in vehicles do seem to notice me more often now, and I prefer that they know Im there. End of story.
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My H-D has biggerbore mufflers, it's louder than stock but not anywhere straight-pipe level, as a moron that thinks loud pipes save lives I have already seen kids run to the edge of the road without looking - then stop dead and stare in the direction of my bike that they heard rather than saw.
My V8 F100 is magic when it comes to noise, deep rumble but not too loud, the real fun is going to the top story in a car-park building and leaving a trail of activated car-alarms set of by the vibration as I drive past - real mature eh?
Went down the waterfront at Sumner in my F100 on Sunday, l.o.l. to see all the baggy-panted backward hatted owners of tinted-windowed/lowered/winged Toymazishiru whatevers milling around then stop dead in their tracks to stare with open mouths - then all grabbing the c'phones and stabbing the buttons flat out, would have given my eye-teeth to read how they described what they had just seen!!
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Then it'll probably blow up on it's ownAhh, ok what if it's an Suzuki RE5 or JPS Norton rotary then??
Armature speller
My supertrapp (1.75" IDS) with 13 discs seems to be about right.
I started with 6 discs (same area as the standard pipe) and went up 2 at a time and then dropped back one when there was a noticable difference in performance (better).
With 6 discs it was like farting through the eye of a needle.
Would have climbed a wall with the torque though
Just had some headwork and the compression raised slightly and may try dropping 2 discs and seeing what happens now as it seems to have more bottom end but still has a big hit at 6000rpm.
I want less hit with a broader spread of power.
Tuneable pipes rule
Armature speller
I had my life saved and then went "wow, it does work!".
I liked the quieter pipe as I'm riding all day every day.
But as I said, I wouldn't go back to it now.
If you're cruising along at 50-70 and someone doing the same speed decides to pull across in front of you then they will hear the louder pipe.
You're not coming up to them at a rate of knots or anything, scaring the shit out of them as you fly by.
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