We listened, now kindly naff off...

[Drunken Monkey]

...call me a 'dork' and any of the other dribble that you wrote to my face, but not on line, if you have meet me then I'd proberly accept it also, but you havent...

That's a fair rule that everyone on this forum should live by.

[Oscar]

Mate, theres nothing wrong with disagreeing thats healthy, its the name calling thats not needed, call me a 'dork' and any of the other dribble that you wrote to my face, but not on line, if you have meet me then I'd proberly accept it also, but you havent.

Where did I call you a dork?
I don't believe you'd posted before I used that word (and if you read the post properly, you'll see I qualified it in the next sentence).

Still, if the cap fits...

[dangerous]

Where did I call you a dork?
Still, if the cap fits...

Ohh.... it doe's, it's yours

[Oscar]

Ohh.... it doe's, it's yours

Witty remarks are generally more effective with correct spelling.
That's not to say that your spelling alone qualifies you as a dork, that's down to your pompous attitude...

[dangerous]

So to all the people on here that want to use and abuse the environment with noisy pipes, go right ahead but don't come crying back if the bureaucrats tighten the laws further and you have to go and pay money to get your bikes compliant. I will just smile.

Yeah Merv.... but there is the problem, 'I' like the majority here have after market pipes but I do NOT 'abuse' anything or anyone, so why would you smile if I was to lose my pipes?
Like I said above the one twit in a thour that does abuse there noise limits will screw it up for the rest of us.

I ask you guys that protest after market pipes, does every snigle noisie pipe out there piss the hell out of you? or is it the odd a-hole that winds the crap out of there bike/car in the middle of the night in a quite family style st that piss's you off?

My long winded point here is, its not the noisie pipe that is the problem its the person riding/driving it.

[dangerous]

Witty remarks are generally more effective with correct spelling.
That's not to say that your spelling alone qualifies you as a dork, that's down to your pompous attitude...

Now you are just getting personal......... I am above that so I'll leave you to it.

Anyone else think that I am pompous.....LMFAO
And um... gee, sorry please remove the ' from does as I dont want to upset anyone.

[Oscar]

I chuckle at times at the hypocrisy espoused in Kiwi Rider at times, they rave on quite strongly about the need for dirt bikes to be quiet so as to protect our available riding areas blah blah blah and they slate manufacturers whose bikes they say are noisy, and in the next breath they recommend/condone the fitting of noisy pipes to road bikes just like a whole lot of you on here seem to think is a good idea.

That hypocrisy exist here, and most places the brethen gather. They crap on about "cages" and harsh law enforcement etc, then brag about the wheelies they pull in town and their high speed antics on public roads...

Actually the Kiwi Rider guys (John Nic in particular) were in the vanguard of the anti-noise push off-road, and I'm sure it has helped us to retain access to a lot of land over the years. I recall decibel meters being used at enduro's in the late '80's.

[Oscar]

Now you are just getting personal......... I am above that so I'll leave you to it.

Any one else think that I am pompous.....LMFAO

Past your bedtime?

[Wenier]

would require pipes with the volume of a jet engine...

How loud in dB is a jet engine then??

And i dont consider my bikes exhaust stupidly loud either jus a nice note and it does get me noticed on the road around here which is a good thing as the amount of accidents caused by cage drivers not looking is huge.

And the other down side to the law is for the real motorsport guys, how would you distingish between a rice racer and a person who is really into thier motorsport and drag races and attends track days. They have loud exhaust and they cars have mags and are lowered and so on, so how do you know if it is jus a ricer or someone who uses these add-ons properly (i no generally ricers rev the crap out of it full time but from looks how do u tell).

[Oscar]

How loud in dB is a jet engine then??

And i dont consider my bikes exhaust stupidly loud either jus a nice note and it does get me noticed on the road around here which is a good thing as the amount of accidents caused by cage drivers not looking is huge.

And the other down side to the law is for the real motorsport guys, how would you distingish between a rice racer and a person who is really into thier motorsport and drag races and attends track days. They have loud exhaust and they cars have mags and are lowered and so on, so how do you know if it is jus a ricer or someone who uses these add-ons properly (i no generally ricers rev the crap out of it full time but from looks how do u tell).

Jet engine at take off - 140dB.

You’ve never considered the possibility that these people whose attention you get with your pipes, are looking around in annoyance? People who shake their heads, muttering “..bloody bikies…” and stalk off to write to their MPs?

What about the possibility that the Backwardscap&Hoody Brigade in their RX7's are making more noise than you? How do you get them to "notice" you?

[Ghost Lemur]

In the time that it took me to write up my last post (2 finger style) it started raining...... I live on SH/W1 in a 60k zone, before the rain started the noise was a quite drone now that it is wet out, the noise has esculated to a loud racket. I can now here it over the TV..... so should 'rain' be banned....... Na, that would be stupid aye 'silly me'

Weres it gona end, I cant even play bat n ball with my dog at the park any more he has to be on a lead at all times.....sad realy.
Live and let live.

It most certainly is. Had to do a mad dash to the Countdown, and got drenched. Still not too cold though (for Christchurch at the end of July).

*Drools over wet weather gear.... one day my precious*

[Motu]

And the other down side to the law is for the real motorsport guys, how would you distingish between a rice racer and a person who is really into thier motorsport and drag races and attends track days. They have loud exhaust and they cars have mags and are lowered and so on, so how do you know if it is jus a ricer or someone who uses these add-ons properly (i no generally ricers rev the crap out of it full time but from looks how do u tell).

Check out the speedway guys - like Oscar says about enduros,decibel meters were at speedway tracks in the 80s,now all speedway bikes have mufflers.When Ivan Major put on the long track at Claudlands about 10yrs ago he had everyone put a hugemungous car muffler on their speedway bikes,no complaints,and the speed of the bikes wasn't effected to much - 100mph on a trotting track is worth seeing anyway.To answer your question - the real motorsport guys show responsability.

[Bob]

Just thought I'd throw a couple of things into the debate.

Last year in Europe, the emissions regs were tightened so much that certain bikes were taken out of the marketplace. We're talking about bikes like the Fazer and CB500 here (and I think the ZX7R went to its grave for the same reason) amongst others. In 3 years time, the emissions regs here will get so tight that most bikes in current production will fail them.

The EU is putting pressure on US to fall in line. It'll happen eventually. So ALL bikes will be made meeting these regs.

Aside from the above - which'll see everyone being forced to have quieter, cleaner bikes (and there are threats of taxing older bikes that will not meet the new levels - effectively a 'pollution tax', so it'll cost you to ride a bike that isn't antiseptically clean.), only my point of view, but personally I'm happy to have a fairly quiet bike - quieter bike, more chance of being able to hear as I get older.

As someone else said, if you want to make a noise, hit your horn. If your horn isn't loud enough, why not fit a louder one? Damn sight cheaper than an aftermarket can.

If an aftermarket can meets the emissions regs and is louder than OE, then great. If it isn't road-legal, then apart from anything else, you just invalidated your insurance.

There was a recent article here about someone who had a really loud can on their bike... something that, lets face it, you can't really pick up on that well yourself when you are riding. So they were taken on track with an exhaust modified so that the RIDER was getting all the noise. Guess what? They didn't like it!

Not trying for a public service announcement here - but as a group us bikers really don't do ourselves any favours. It isn't the 'nice car' that gets remembered for making a noise when they scream through a town or village at twice the limit, it is the 'nasty bike' that will be mentioned in complaints.

For good or bad, we are still tarred with the same brush that was used in the 50s and 60s... and if we do our best to act up to it, we'll continue to suffer the consequences.

Just my viewpoint, for what it is worth.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm in two minds about the issue; on one hand there's nothing like certain loudish exhaust sounds, V's of all types, high revving 4's etc. Then I hear some twat with just a resonator on his Honda Civic or Rotary or a Harley with straight pipes and I just want them banned.
In the few times I've been in Oz, one very noticable thing was the absence of objectionably loud exhausts, it was very pleasant eating lunch outside without being deafened by screaming exhausts or thumping bass drivers.
If they do bring in Db testing, how are Ferrari's, Ducati's etc. going to pass?

[Drunken Monkey]

If they do bring in Db testing, how are Ferrari's, Ducati's etc. going to pass?

That's why the tests have to be performed at certain rpm ranges. You'll find that performance exhausts on European sports cars have, for a long time, been within the European rules (90 or 91 Db, I can't remember exactly) at the test rpm range. It's only under high rpm or large load that they exceed the number - precisely the point people have been making about _when_ a sports exhaust is loud.
There shouldn't be any reason for someone to not be able to run a pipe that meets the standard at 'normal use' rev ranges for city driving, but still allow the pipe(s) to have a suitable bark when at the track (or when you're galavanting around country roads). It's certainly not impossible, nor impractical for a test like this to be performed - and it is done this way in some countries.
In fact, you will see some OEM pipes with a standards stamp which states it meets this very standard (I once had an OEM RF600 exhaust put on an old gixxer - *ahem* don't ask!). It was a US standards met pipe, which did not exceed 89Db (on an RF600, I imagine) at the test rpm speed of x rpm.