8min blast, what do u think??

[Dave]

Well that didn't work! anyway,try this link;
http://www.canosoarus.com/10X1Skycycle/Skycycle01.htm

I think we're looking at perhaps going across the gorges insdead of through them.

[Firefight]

The guy should ride on a track, I love to go fast, but I also know what its like to wash blood and body parts off the road, you never get used to it !, I just hope he won't take any of the good riders off this site with him !

[wkid_one]

Hmmm - I will not question it until I have seen the guy ride. 8 mins sounds a bit of a lie tho.

I've followed KiwiDan on that road, and would struggle to find anyone more rapid than him on the road and also we are on a road he knows - and we were no where near that time. 

As for limiting the 'speed' to the track - I must disagree.  I find the track thoroughly boring.  Take Puke for example 7 corners and a 1min lap - where is the fun in doing that repeatedly? I choose to ride fast on the roads instead - accepting the risks.  You learn very little about riding on a race track in my opinion other than how to take the limited numbers of corners well.  You learn no hazard identification and avoidance.  You learn no road reading, no identifying roll off/brake/turnin points - coz you only need do it once.

Yes, 300kph on the road is socially irresponsible - however those that do it judge their ability not to fall off - I have done it and we all have.

Don't judge someone wishing to travel at that speed on the road - they know the risks (legal, life, liability) and choose to do so anyway.  You will note that Andy validated it by the guy saying there was no traffic around - who is he putting at risk then - himself alone

Don't judge others by your yardstick - maintaining 200kph+ on NZ roads is thoroughly achieveable - albeit illegal.

Unfortunately I must say good on him!  Choosing to ride like that and staying on takes nuts (provided it is true of course).  I do it - and whilst I am not proud of my socially irresponsible attitude will continue to do it.

Stay off Puke - all you end up with is a shagged right hand side of your tyre.

[bluninja]

Hey WKID can I use the snooker analogy again? No? Ok well going around a track is a bit like playing golf you are always trying to beat your previous best, or repeat near perfection over and over. However racing is different again.You have lots of (hopefully) equally matched racers all vying for the same bits of track, you not only need to get around the corners and lap as fast as possible you need to get in front of everyone else.If you screw up then all parties have accepted the risks that go with being on track. BTW does this mean you've gven up the idea of racing?

You say 'Don't judge others by your yardstick', don't you know NZ is metric?

TTFN

[wkid_one]

I am sure I said I find the track boring........my view, for some people it is good - I prefer to hone my skills on the road....I didn't say people shouldn't ride on it - I said I don't like it cause I feel you don't learn anything other than how to ride THAT track well...

To coin the snooker analogy again - you don't spend all your practice time playing the same shot over and over again as it is not representative of the game - you need match play practice.

You took my comments obliquely - I refer to going to track days/open days etc - racing is a seperate issue as there is the added factor of other people to add the degree of uncertainty I am after - I look forward to my time on the track for racing.  But those that have ridden with me will attest to my passion for the road over the track.

I would hasten a guess tho that fast road riders make fast track riders - but fast track riders don't make fast road riders.  I say this as road riding fast requires more attention than racing and more ability to ride from the seat of your pants and adapt on the fly.  Also road riding fast requires greater extension of concentration as you don't know what is coming next  - testament to the fact that Rossi SUCKED at rallying (tangental comparison I know).  This is also a generalisation.  This is the same reason David Jefferies (RIP) rode in road racing circuits - he found track racing dead boring (excuse the pun please - no disrespect intended - they were his words 12 months ago when interviewed)

Same as good snooker players make great pool players - but great pool players don't make good snooker players.  One requires more skill than the other (PS I do play both before I get chewed out by a pool player) - to use my old analogy.

 

[bluninja]

Well wkid you've got me there. BUGGER As for taking your comments obliquely...well everyone's got to have their angle

TTFN

[wkid_one]

LOL - it is just an opinion and therefore can be disregarded as rubbish - I just like typing lots!

I just like speeding on the roads - completely stupid I know.......but I do - I'll admit it......nothing quite like stuffing a car up the inside to a corner and cranking the bike right over thinking 'FARKKKKKKK I am going a bit quick.......brain - tell hand to let go of brake pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....phew'.  It is the whole 'what the feck is around the next corner' feeling I like - and hitting a corner you don't know perfectly.

I live for the puckered arsehole feeling of making it around a corner you didn't think you could.....yes - I do get on with KK before you ask.

The track doesn't have the uncertainty I like.....unless others are on it racing - now that I look forward to.

Do I need help?

 

 

[bluninja]

Do you need help??? Only if your arsehole doesn't unpucker  You could always ride KKs bikes if you want some extra unpredictability to your road riding

TTFN

[wkid_one]

PMPL - thanks for an image I didn't really need!

[Motu]

I'm sorta with wkid on this one - I much prefer riding on roads than the track...there is just so much more to do,speeds are less than on the track,but the awarness level is higher - I feel I get much more out of riding on the road.

Gravel roads have always been my specialty - where do I go to race on those? Yeah,I've done a rally sprint on a bike - in 8hrs I got 2 runs,less than 8mins riding for a whole day in my gear.And the car guys think you're nuts and treat you like shit.

On the other hand when trying to get guys to ride on an oval track they would say - Oh,but it's boring just going around in circles.....what the fuck you mean you're bored!! how can you be bored if you're scared shitless! and if you're not scared shitless then you're not going fast enough! I never got bored with going around and around again.

[bikerboy]

As long as you don't adhere to the KK school of motorcycle maintenance there is absolutlely nothing wrong with your opinions Wkid.

Perhaps you'll influence him in a positive way as you tend to spare no expence on your bike.

[SPman]

Originally posted by wkid_one

I just like speeding on the roads - completely stupid I know.......but I do - I'll admit it......

 

Isn't that part of the major appeal of road riding?   I'm in complete agreement with Dan on this one! Its GREAT!

I live for the puckered arsehole feeling of making it around a corner you didn't think you could......

It's amazing how much puckering up, keeps you on the road.......particular quantum zephyronic physics????

The track doesn't have the uncertainty I like.....unless others are on it racing - now that I look forward to. ....Do I need help?  

I'm afraid you're beyond help W1

How about Road racing.......IOM perhaps - a track thats a road, riders ahead of you to catch who are racing - but aren't, a "mountain" to climb and all the pucker factor you can poke a case of haemmorhoid (sp?) cream at!

[What?]

Originally posted by Coldkiwi
The authority on this one would be KiwiDan. I understand he knows the kopu hikuai road VERY well.

infact... I thought that was so much arse that we've just worked it out.. kopu to hikuai turnoff.... 33kms.... in eight minutes.. an average speed of 247kmhr!!!

I also am more than slightly familiar with this road, having once lived near to one end of it and wasting many a day riding it. Kopu to Hikuai in 20 minutes is pretty respectable. 15 would be bordering on the impossible, especially if you figure in some other traffic, not to mention the road surface. 8 minutes?????? In a helicopter, maybe. And 300K top speed?? Make it a bloody fast helicopter!

[marty]

check out this link for fast riding - 5 corners over 30 miles - slowest at 140mph. i think there's 5 corners in the first 300 metres of the kopu hikuai

http://www.2wf.com/articles/stories/...3E069B8060.asp

[Lee Rusty]

the guy is a bullshit artist pure and simple