Yea thank's mate!!

[KATWYN]

dude jumped out of his car & run across the road to where I had stopped & punched me in my helmet & then pushed me & my Triumph over onto the road .

A 1 out of 10 on the "I fit in well into this society - o - meter"

[sAsLEX]

Sensei 509 - You did the right thing by not defending yourself. .

wtf! if someone attacks you and you dont defend yourself he will just attack the next poor sod, and how would someone without a martial arts background defend themselves. What would happen if the next guy was you??. I know in certain situations if someone approached me with intent to harm myself or anyone on my ship and they didn't back down it would be the last thing they ever did.

some people need to learn how to act in modern society and stop using intimidation to get their way.

[Motoracer]

Take the prick down!! Don't forget you are entitled to defend yourself if attacked and if one well placed punch just happened to rupture his spleen then stiff shit, he picked on the wrong guy. Just don't cross the line from actively defending yourself to giving someone a beating and you should be sweet.

Thanx SC, that's good to know. If I come across a similar situation, I'll make sure that I use the carbon fiber knuckle protectors on my riding gloves well.

[FROSTY:Me]

thats gottaa suck biggtime dude.I admire your self restraint for not turning a nasty incident into something much more serious.
If its any cosolation Many years ago I was taking a mate of mine home -stopped at an intersection and a drunk guy ran up,punched my mate in the head/helmet and ran off.
back then visors were 1.5mm thick and my mates visor was open so it must have cut the guys knuckles to pieces

[Ghost Lemur]

wtf! if someone attacks you and you dont defend yourself he will just attack the next poor sod, and how would someone without a martial arts background defend themselves. What would happen if the next guy was you??. I know in certain situations if someone approached me with intent to harm myself or anyone on my ship and they didn't back down it would be the last thing they ever did.

some people need to learn how to act in modern society and stop using intimidation to get their way.

Unfortunately, with it being his occupation, he could have got into serious trouble. I've known a few guys over the years who have used what they've known (martial artists, former foriegn legioniers) who have got into trouble defending themselves.

I think the analogy they use is it's comparable to defending youself against some one who punching you by pulling out a gun and shooting them, because of the skill level involved.

Don't get me wrong I would of loved to have heard he had 6 plus broken bones, the bastard deserved it without doubt.

I am saying though that the situation that happened was bad enough without the bastard ending up costing Sensei his job and career too. It'd have been a bit different if it wasn't his livelihood but just a hobby, then he'd have had nothing to loose in defending himself.

[dangerous]

And Dangerous - what a bastard.

No I'm 'not'

[Coldkiwi]

thats pretty rude sensei. Sounds like a good situation to whip out a head butt
oh well, next time maybe! (although i'm sure we'd all rather not have it happen at all)

[sAsLEX]

would of it have been wrong for him to hold the guy until police arrived in a simple lock? then let the police deal with the filthy scum, I am sure the witnessess could of attested to the fact he didn't go all bruce lee on the dude!

[Sensei]

Yeap coulda shoulda woulda . My main thing was get the f---en prick to pay for my bike & not have to worry explaining how he got his body all broken . Will have better Court case if I just play it by the law this time . Will be making a trip up north when thing's blow over I can assure you all of that !! .Still have contact's to help me out from when I use to do Debt collecting & Bouncing . So all will end well . Bike will be fixed & Dude will be as it is in Heaven Amen ! Sensei

[spudchucka]

Thanx SC, that's good to know. If I come across a similar situation, I'll make sure that I use the carbon fiber knuckle protectors on my riding gloves well.

You should have a good understanding of the definition of assault and the section of the Crimes Act relating to self defence. Both are listed below.

Defence against assault

[48.Self-defence and defence of another—
Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.]

The key point is what is reasonable in the circumstances. Its subjective and depends on what your honestly held belief at the time was (see below definition of assault). It also depends on what any other "reasonable" person would consider to be reasonable in the circumstances. You might think using your carbon knuckle dusters to be reasonable but another person, (ie: a juror) might think it was a bit over the top.

"Assault'' means the act of intentionally applying or attempting to apply force to the person of another, directly or indirectly, or threatening by any act or gesture to apply such force to the person of another, if the person making the threat has, or causes the other to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose.

The interesting thing here is that a person threatening you but not actually physically assaulting you has committed "assault" if their threats / actions cause you to believe that you will be assaulted . "Honestly held belief" = use of reasonable force is justified to defend yourself or another person.

[wkid_one]

You might think using your carbon knuckle dusters to be reasonable but another person, (ie: a juror) might think it was a bit over the top.

Well personally - I think it would be unreasonable to be expected to take them off!! Head butt him instead.......

[jrandom]

... but, what it comes down to is, if you thump someone you will most likely end up in court explaining your actions.

Therefore it is easier to *not* thump people unless the perceived benefit of administering the thumping exceeds the unpleasantness of a date in court and attendant risk of a judge and/or jury deciding that you were NOT justified in using your Spidis and/or Arai to rearrange someone's face.

[Edit: There is a corollary. A large group of potential thumpees, most of whom richly deserve it, can be viewed as approximately 0.001% likely to contact law enforcement about thumping injuries, since said contact often results in certain background enquiries being made as to the reason for thumping which tend to involve police presence at the residence of said thumpee, etc. Which presence can be less desirable to some than the humiliation of a quiet and unavenged recovery.]

[vifferman]

There's also a very strong possibility that Mr F. Tard is one of those who when someone he bullies applies appropriately, instead of going, "Fair enough - I deserved that for being a dick", comes back to seek revenge. People (i use the term very loosely) of his ilk tend not to think in a normal fashion. He's already demonstrated a lack of normal brain activity by (a) driving like a complete moron, and then (b) assaulting you for objecting to his lack of common sense and ignorance of the road rules.

[Cajun]

i had a problem with some fuckwits yesterday coming in to rotovegas, i went to pass a bunch of guys in a car, they swerved in to middle of road to hit me, saw them swerved and moved on to wrong side of road. then they looked like they were turning off, put on right turning interactor, so father in law behind me, goes up left hand side, cause they are slowlying down to turn, and they turn swerve right to try and hit him, i mean what a bunch of fuck wits,

its not like we done anything i had sit behind the guy for about 1 km, and i had been sitting behind him at maybe 3 seconds, so not like i was tail gatting or anything in a 80km area

[spudchucka]

... but, what it comes down to is, if you thump someone you will most likely end up in court explaining your actions.

Therefore it is easier to *not* thump people unless the perceived benefit of administering the thumping exceeds the unpleasantness of a date in court and attendant risk of a judge and/or jury deciding that you were NOT justified in using your Spidis and/or Arai to rearrange someone's face.

[Edit: There is a corollary. A large group of potential thumpees, most of whom richly deserve it, can be viewed as approximately 0.001% likely to contact law enforcement about thumping injuries, since said contact often results in certain background enquiries being made as to the reason for thumping which tend to involve police presence at the residence of said thumpee, etc. Which presence can be less desirable to some than the humiliation of a quiet and unavenged recovery.]

I'm not advocating that anyone should go around thumping people but don't be afraid to defend yourself because you might end up in court either. Why take a beating just because you might have to explain your actions to a judge or jury. The defence is there in law if you understand and apply the law you will be fine. Theres an old saying that is as true today as it ever was before, "Its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".