Punished!

[Coldkiwi]

Ok, it happened... I got my comeuppance (sp?) on Sunday.

This is good : Happily found myself behind a bloke in a Porsche turbo (late ninties I think) with a desire to have a go!

This is not so good: the road was twilight road from clevedon over the hill and through to whitford park road.

I stuck on him fine until I got into the first two sharp(marked about 20kmhr) corners but then he sadly started getting away through the next 8 hairpins going up there! he slowed for me to overtake after cresting the hill (i think his missus was beating him by then) and we had another short rocket trip to the intersection before parting company.

but yeah.. dissapointed that he pulled away, although if I was ever going to get whipped by a car, I think that road and a porsche turbo is a good way to start! I know the hill sort of well but normally take it quite easy given other cars tendancy to cross the lines out of blind corners! I'd like to say i could take him another day but i'm not sure.

Anyone else got sob stories about being bested by a car?

[Dave]

No sorry,Never happened!
Sad for you though.

[duckman]

Gosh Dave - What about that ride to Sulphar city ....hmmm...weren't you being overtaken by kids on pushbikes ???

[Dave]

Oh yes-That,
45miles an hour on a 61 year old indian (motorcycle not red)
probably doesn't count.
-The bugs were hitting ME in the back of the helmet!

[festus]

Nope, but had a guy in a 500SL convertable give me a good go on that new bit of motorway near Wellington.

I wouldn't feel to bad about that though dude!, a car like that would be able to peel off corners quicker than a bike!.

One must remember too that there are a lot more cars these days that are just as quick as most bikes, in most cases however the advantage with bikes is they get to top speed quicker than the cars do............ 

Festus

 

[Redstar]

na never been beaten but then you made the right call in the end
I remember I aced a bmw on a 500 suzuki GTA in 1977 he was so pissed he followed be to a gas station and took my number so I took his and we played "my dad is bigger than yours" but I felt so good. but then I was 17 and bullet proof
these days I have a three sons and thats what makes the difference.

Its the matter of fact that if you wanted to you could have but you were bigger than his ego so you live and he might?

[Redstar]

oh yeah

whats the difference between a corvette and a corguette

about $250,000
350hp
and 300klm/hr

[eNZed Fred]

Memorable beatings from cars :

1976. Riding Kawasaki H2 (750 triple 2-smoke)  Heading north out of Foxton at night, and came up behind a V12 E-type Jag.  Glued to his arse up to 80mph, even up to 100, then I topped out at 125 and he just pissed off into the darkness.

1977, same H2, Pukerua Bay Hill (going north), 110 mph and got passed by a Corvette Stingray.

About 1980, sth on Hutt motorway in real heavy pissing-down rain.  Side by side and weaving traffic in both lanes with a Lotus 7.  95 mph was all it took, I was on a 900 Bol'dor Honda.

About 1978 up near Waipukurau had a long session with a 6 cylinder MGB.  I was on a 500 single.  He was quicker through slow corners.  We called it off after he spun out on some roadworks and I went through on the wrong side of the marker pegs.

Not many cars around now that will do more than 240kph, and far fewer drivers that will have a go.

 

 

 

 

[SPman]

Last night on the way back from New Plymouth on the Pirongia road I thought I was going to get done by a rather quick Skyline..  It  was pitch black and I like to see where the road is when Im going around corners at speed! Caught him on a straight between Te Kowhai and Ngaruawahia, down 3 gears and redline into the night....bye bye Skyline!.....whew!....had me worried for a while...still, he came in handy as a sweeper for any cops patrolling the road (2 that I saw)

[Marmoot]

I was blasting at 145 on SH1 going up to Auckland from Hamilton when suddenly I saw this car coming the opposite lane. Then, I guess he did a U-ey because the next thing I knew he was right behind me . I then stopped to ask him how he did it because everybody know no car can beat a fireblade (ahem....)
It turned out there were 2 identical cars with 1 waiting further up ahead of me but I didn't see it. That was the one glued up to my arse. The other one caught up a bit later.

They were both white with red and blue stripes......

[Coldkiwi]

Yeah.. i would've liked a rematch on some of the other roads around hunua/clevedon etc. his car was stuck like glue through those corners and there's probably not too many cars that handle better (those things are friggen light too!) and have better braking etc into such close tight corners than a porsche turbo! I did generally gain a little on the very short straights (30metres max!) but it certainly wasn't enough room.

still... like the man said.. his probably cost about $250,000 more so its not so bad!

I'm sure I'd do his sorry ass in a straight line tho

[750Y]

Don't feel bad about it. A lot depends on conditions. Even If You did catch him You could never have overtaken on that twisting hill.
Cars have the advantage of 4 tyres on the road and can also slide controllably in the tight stuff. when it's one blind bend to the next You haven't got a shit show of taking them safely if they're going hard. They also have the advantage of not having to worry so much about getting it right because if they cock it up they won't be dealing with the same sorts of consequences we motorcycle riders would.
My advice to all is just don't do it. There are some maniacs out there who don't understand how vulnerable we are or just plain don't care. Imagine if You got past some idiot only to be held up later. That same idiot would be all over your ass and that aint a nice feeling trust me. I had a guy a month or so back who turned into michael schumacher the minute i passed him. i could feel the cars' shadow over me from the morning sun. oh btw i have gone side by side with a cabriolet porsche on my 98ninja6 & walked away, but the wheel was coming up. after that the guy went like an idiot in the traffic obviously spewing.
I came upon a guy last week but when i went to overtake.. hello? michael f&^%$kin shumaker again. He went crazy to try & shake me. I pulled back to take the pressure off him because he was driving dangerously and i was getting concerned for oncoming traffic. I was signalling to him to get back on his side of the road. I was so glad I wasn't on a bike coming the other way.
I see some parallels with the recent cops/bike chase incident.

[Gixxer]

one dark night about 20min out of Rotorua from Matamata, had a Legacy pull up behind me sitting on my arse, could not see anything so pulled over a bit to let him pass, thought I would repay the favor and when we hit 190k and i could not see in front of me I decided back down, still he was flying and took the corners alot faster then I was. may have been a different story in the day.

 

[wkid_one]

It hasn't happened to me.  With the power to weight advantage bikes have - it shouldn't ever happen.  - Yes the Porsche will be able to carry 'potentially' more corner speed - however the bike has the advantage of occupying less space on the road - therefore effectively being able to straighten the corner out better.  I prefer the twisties and would struggle to see how most road cars would keep up.

A Porsche weighs approx 1400kg, with at MOST 273kw (standard) - or 371HP - if it was 4WD it would lose about 35-40% of its power through the drive train reducing it to 241hp at the wheels.

This amounts to .17hp/kg.  The average bike say weighs 220kg wet - meaning to equal the car on power to weight - it would need to produce 41hp (allowing 8% lose of power from flywheel to rear wheel) - same a many 250cc's.  I am not even going to compare this with a 155hp sports bike like the GSXR - it is pointless as it is almost a horse power per kg.

The highest performance cars struggle to accelerate to 100kph in under 4's - with only a select few being able to do so in 5.5secs or below - remembering this is also measured by 'subjective' manufacturers - in optimal conditions with a race test driver - so hardly valid.  Bikes frequent this sprint in sub 4 sec times.  So even if the car managed to catch you in the corner - they wouldn't have a shit show on the straight (again this is bike dependant - eg a gn250 won't beat a Diablo - and rider dependant)...much of it therefore comes down to your cornering prowess (and size of your kahuna's).

Then you have factors like inertia to overcome, and if the Porsche was 2WD it effectively reduces the power that is useable through slippage etc..

 

 

[Coldkiwi]

I have no qualms with the power to weight advantage I enjoy (and I really DO enjoy it) but do you KNOW that friggen road!? Not only is every corner well beyond 90 degrees (most are probaly 140-160 degree turns), the road is cambered in a rather inconsistent manner, is carved out of a cliff and is one of the narrower roads around. I'll take you up it some time and you'll see what a bitch it is! (imagine a series of blind hair pins in worse condition than Puke with 1/4 of the width)

If I had been able to hang on to him up there (screw passing) I would have been STOKED!!

Yeah 750, i was very aware of going to hard into those left handers especially in case I did go wide and had an intimate moment Nhuan style! Not my idea of a good time!