The firearm thread

[Delerium]

Thats tough for you then, because that is not whats going to happen, nor is it what happened in Australia after Port Arthur.
You don't seem to associate that when people use a weapon such as a AR15 to shoot and wound multiple people, while thay are clearly committing a crime.
They are also using the AR15 for its only solely designed purpose, TThe exact same one that Eugene stoner designed it for.
Killing and wounding people as fast and as many as possible. That’s exactly what it was engineered to do as cheaply and as easily as possible.
The public at large does not seem to support your view either.



I only used their figures, as they were bound to be over the top as they were trying to make out any change will cost to much
But in case you missed it the majority of NZ supports this move the Parliament supports this move.
the cost of doing this has been deemed as irrelevant when it comes to protecting people in NZ. its also a one off cost.
The ongoing costs of the database etc will likely be covered in increased licence costs to cover the expenses. Thata only fair.


Clearly you dont police cant declare anything as being legal that is not written into law.
ANyone who objects to the crown in NZ can challenge the interpretation just as Gun city did to bring in the AR15's used by the CHCH terrorist.
If you actually understood what was written and i posted it plain as day what you are implying is again complete and utter nonsense.



The draft bill does not ban any sport it merely defines who can operate what weapons and what weapons are what class and what parts are allowed to be purchased and sold by what endorsement If you cant understand this this is your problem.


Though, thats life get over it. nothing is being taken from you at gunpoint. You are kidding if you expect to be paid for your emotional attachment or your loss of ability to play bang bang.


As has been pointed out to you numerous times unless its an integral part to the operation of the Prohibited item its not a prohibited item.
I also know you have unrealistic expectations as for one you claimed your second hand firearm should be worth what you paid for it. You are to emotional to even realize this.
You are also far to hysterical and are unable to act in a reasonable manner. As you dont understand what something is worth or what is fair or reasonable. I actually have to start questioning if you should have ever owned such firearms in the first place.
Also if we couple that with the thoughts and views expressed on KB previously, about right wing extremism and islamic people and attacks on them plus you imediate comments after the atttack, its becoming clear that if any watch list that existed that included the CHCH terrorist should have also included you.


Only probltlem is Sport shooting was not deemed a valid reason E to own a MSSA in the E cat endorsement previously.


No the bill defines what weapons and what parts fall under what category. plus what is allowed to be purchased under what licience or not.
I hate to point this out to you in a democracy an individual doesn't get to vore on each law change or amendment.
The draft bill doesnt say what you said it said its that simple, you posted a heap of crap. You still are you will likely do so in the future.

You're full of shit

[husaberg]

You're full of shit

Thats nice, were you unable to refute what was written, but suddenly overcome with emotion and felt the need to share anyway.
Weren't you the guy that used to wrist off to Helen Clark pics?

maybe you ought to listen to your own advice

Oi, dick head. post some evidence or fuck off.

[Katman]

Weren't you the guy that used to wrist off to Helen Clark pics?

Weren't you the guy who started this fucking embarrassment?

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...-Flirty-Friday

[husaberg]

Weren't you the guy who started this fucking embarrassment?

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...-Flirty-Friday

Touched a nerve did I
Maybe you just need some alternative fuel.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...ernative-fuels
WHy are we not driving around i coffee powered cars yet.
For a guy that claims to be a mechanic you arevery dm when it comes to how a internal combustion engine works.

[Katman]

Touched a nerve did I
Maybe you just need some alternative fuel.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...ernative-fuels
WHy are we not driving around i coffee powered cars yet.
For a guy that claims to be a mechanic you arevery dm when it comes to how a internal combustion engine works.

The major difference being that I don't feel any embarrassment whatsoever from that thread.

Can you say the same for your 'Flirty Friday' cry for attention?

[husaberg]

The major difference being that I don't feel any embarrassment whatsoever from that thread.

Can you say the same for your 'Flirty Friday' cry for attention?

Of course why woukd a bike mechanic fee embarrassed about thinking a otto cycle engine would be able to round on Coffee grounds due to a secret process you two can buy for only a few thousand dollars.
Then telling heaps of people it was a real deal thing that big oil wa trying to keep under wraps.
Tell us all more about this modern day Nikola tesla and how the government tried to torture him by removing his teeth
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...ernative-fuels

[Katman]

Of course why woukd a bike mechanic fee embarrassed about thinking a otto cycle engine would be able to round on Coffee grounds due to a secret process you two can buy for only a few thousand dollars.

Where did you get coffee grounds from?

[husaberg]

Where did you get coffee grounds from?

From coffee beans that are ground then used to make coffee.
From the claims of the moronic con that you fell for.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...l-run-anything

[TheDemonLord]

The problem is it doesnt say what would suit you for it to say and you are steadfastly refusing to see logic.
Look i can't make you understand, as you are behaving in a hysterical manner but i have given you what is in the act the PARTS THAT MAKE UP AN AR15 or similar are included when they are part and only PART OF WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO ASSEMBLE A ND OPERATE A FUNCTIONAL working AR15 or similar. This is clearly to stop people selling parts of a prohibited weapon in pieces to a A class licence holder.

So, why include Suppressors or Sights?

Especially when both items are named SPECIFICALLY.

You can build an AR without a Suppressor or a Sight.

However, the problem is the wording - since a Sight is considered an Integral part of any Firearm (Aiming is kinda of important - Identify your target beyond all doubt, be aware of your firing zone etc.) and any sight can fit an AR, Any sight is illegal.

You still haven't provided a Suppressor that can turn a Rifle into a Semi or fully-automatic Firearm. Which means the Wording of the Law is demonstrably piss-poor.

And the funny part is - if you want to stop people from building a functional AR:

Upper Receiver.
Lower Receiver.
Gas Ported Barrel.
Gas Block.
Gas Tube.
Bolt Carrier Group.
Buffer tube.
Buffer.
Recoil Spring.
Trigger group.

That's the absolute bare minimum to build an AR that will discharge a round. Remove any of those components, the Rifle will not function as a Semi-Auto. If you want to generalise it for any semi-auto rifle:

Upper Receiver.
Lower Receiver.
Gas System (any component of).
Bolt Carrier Group.
Recoil System (any component of).
Trigger group patterened for a Semi-Auto lower receiver.

But I'll repeat - that's not what written - they are including Buttstocks, Suppressors, Sights etc. Everything that just looks Scary.

[husaberg]

So, why include Suppressors or Sights?

Especially when both items are named SPECIFICALLY.

You can build an AR without a Suppressor or a Sight.

However, the problem is the wording - since a Sight is considered an Integral part of any Firearm (Aiming is kinda of important - Identify your target beyond all doubt, be aware of your firing zone etc.) and any sight can fit an AR, Any sight is illegal.

You still haven't provided a Suppressor that can turn a Rifle into a Semi or fully-automatic Firearm. Which means the Wording of the Law is demonstrably piss-poor.

And the funny part is - if you want to stop people from building a functional AR:

Upper Receiver.
Lower Receiver.
Gas Ported Barrel.
Gas Block.
Gas Tube.
Bolt Carrier Group.
Buffer tube.
Buffer.
Recoil Spring.
Trigger group.

That's the absolute bare minimum to build an AR that will discharge a round. Remove any of those components, the Rifle will not function as a Semi-Auto. If you want to generalise it for any semi-auto rifle:

Upper Receiver.
Lower Receiver.
Gas System (any component of).
Bolt Carrier Group.
Recoil System (any component of).
Trigger group patterened for a Semi-Auto lower receiver.

But I'll repeat - that's not what written - they are including Buttstocks, Suppressors, Sights etc. Everything that just looks Scary.

You do realise there arte other Semi autos other than AR aye?
You also realise i dont have to provide you with detials about buggar all for claims i never amde buyt you keep trying to infer i did? well its obvious you dont.

[TheDemonLord]

You do realise there arte other Semi autos other than AR aye?

If only...

if you want to generalise it for any semi-auto rifle:

You also realise i dont have to provide you with detials about buggar all for claims i never amde buyt you keep trying to infer i did? well its obvious you dont.

I realize you can't provide me with details that I asked for, because they don't exist, because you have no clue as to what you are on about. Just like the Politicians and Lawyers who drafted this bill.

That was the whole point of asking for them - thank you for confirming my point.

[Katman]

From coffee beans that are ground then used to make coffee.
From the claims of the moronic con that you fell for.

Dude, the coffee grounds had nothing to do with it.

It was a joke, as in needing coffee to kick start your morning.

[husaberg]

If only...

I realize you can't provide me with details that I asked for, because they don't exist, because you have no clue as to what you are on about. Just like the Politicians and Lawyers who drafted this bill.

That was the whole point of asking for them - thank you for confirming my point.

its pretty funny that you keep suggesting I should provide you with the details to justify something i never said full stop. do you need a hint why?

[husaberg]

Dude, the coffee grounds had nothing to do with it.

It was a joke, as in needing coffee to kick start your morning.

Sure sure........

[Katman]

Sure sure........

Did you truly think the video was trying to suggest the motor was running on coffee grounds???



Fucking priceless!!!