Dusty Butt 1,000km adventure ride

**cooneyr** · 25th January 2007, 07:01

Good luck MS getting the seat sorted. The more the merrier. The only parts of the route that could be interesting is getting up the Porika and the Mangatapu with a pillion. In saying this the Busa Petes have just gone up the Mangatapu pillioning on a 1150GS so can be done.

I agree with your comments WW regarding taking it easy. I think it is better to take it easy and finish rather than push it and ?????. I have played with some of the speeds you mention and by the time you speed up the some sections and slow down the others it makes 10's of mins difference. This an interesting point for all. I just has a look and it seems that a 60kph speed on all legs including stops will give us a a ~17.5 hour ride time. This is worth keeping in mind as there is no rush to get it done in 24 hours.

Using the table above we will be heading north up the Motueka valley at sunset so should be OK.

I hear what you are saying about not being a closed course WW and agree but still think it would be nice to keep away from the dead ends. No need to introduce the risk if not necessary. Only would have to drop Mt Arthur from the route but it is steep and tight enough that speed shouldn't be an issue anyway.

Maybe we leave the Grove Track/Port Underwood road in for now. We are not after instantaneous speed records and this is an adventure ride. We will just have to take it easy through there. I have some ideas for other routes but they are just as wiggly so not much point in changing.

Serious thought - how do we manage safety in such a large group. We cant all stay together cause sill mean lots of time waiting for all to turn up at each stop due to spreading out for dust. Do we make up groups of two or three of similar speeds and each group must stay together. That way hopefully if anything goes wrong there is somebody able to go and get help.

Anybody up for doing some artwork that we can make into stickers for the ride? Cheap as chips to print.

Cheers R

**Zukin** · 25th January 2007, 07:10

Originally Posted by warewolf

Why, how many tens of thousands of kays are you going to rack up around NZ in a short space of time? The DR-Z will do 40-60,000km before it needs anything other than routine servicing.

I mean I would need to put on new tyres, a full service, maybe even fit some aux lights??
I wont have much time, if its the 10/11th then that is a bit better for me to prepare

**cooneyr** · 25th January 2007, 07:11

Rainbow Rage is on the 17th of march so doesn't clash with it - thank god cause 2000 cyclists coming at you !! Not good.

Cheers R

**magicfairy** · 25th January 2007, 07:18

Originally Posted by cooneyr

The only parts of the route that could be interesting is getting up the Porika and the Mangatapu with a pillion. In saying this the Busa Petes have just gone up the Mangatapu pillioning on a 1150GS so can be done.

Do you mean the BusaJims? We did it on the 1150GS Adventure earlier this month, I posted a story about it.
Yep it can be done, bit hairy at times - don't take a nervous pillion !

**cooneyr** · 25th January 2007, 07:43

Originally Posted by magicfairy

Do you mean the BusaJims? We did it on the 1150GS Adventure earlier this month, I posted a story about it.
Yep it can be done, bit hairy at times - don't take a nervous pillion !

My apologies - yes you guys. Link here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42251

Wanna come join us then?

Cheers R

**magicfairy** · 25th January 2007, 08:01

Originally Posted by cooneyr

My apologies - yes you guys. Link here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=42251

Wanna come join us then?

Cheers R

Actually there is a very good chance we will join you.
Have to work out logistics but we will probably come over from Wlg on ferry Friday night, stay in Nelson that night and the Saturday.
Thanks for the invite.

**cooneyr** · 25th January 2007, 08:17

Now in the calender. See here if you want to sign up. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/ca...&day=2007-3-10

Cheers R

**PLUG** · 25th January 2007, 12:11

... in & out roads ... to me the reason given for not using them is weak ... after all it's a public road ... one of the aims of this challenge is to make as much dust as possible ... another, is to explore ... besides, there is always interesting stuff along these roads ...

**XP@** · 25th January 2007, 14:23

Originally Posted by PLUG

... besides, there is always interesting stuff along these roads ...

Would hazzard a guess that in the case of an endurance ride the interesting thing is the road and the next corner. After a 1000 miler there is precious little i can remember that was more than 10m away from the side of the road.

**PLUG** · 25th January 2007, 16:09

Originally Posted by XP@

...endurance ride the interesting thing is the road and the next corner.

... sounds like it's a chore for you ... not for me though ...

**Transalper** · 25th January 2007, 18:06

Originally Posted by warewolf

Makes absolutely no difference to me, why does it to you? (I'm curious)

Why i'd prefer it not a club run event... hard to give an answer anyone else might get. I guess the best answer is that it be a trait of quiet, possibly introverted personality. I used to do all the big event and party things but went right off crowds a while ago. If a club was running it then I'd think of it more as a big event and that's a turn off. Am well aware that that's a minority point of view.

Originally Posted by warewolf

Eh? Of course it is. You shouldn't be rushed: it is an endurance event, not a sprint...you have to ride at a sustainable pace, which means time to look around. These rides are about FUN which is why we ride in the first place.

Talking about Queencharlotte Drive etc... You were the one who suggested avoiding it. As for the rest of that quote, I've done about a dozen big runs like this, mostly on sealed roads and personally i run out of 'fun' at about the 750km mark just about every time so would prefer not to waist my energy there, rather if there's an option I'd skip Queencharlotte and move on to the next dirt patch. Don't matter to me if i don't do all the kms.
BTW, there's no way i'd do a 1000 MILER, it just wouldn't be safe for me, a micro sleep would get me.

Originally Posted by warewolf

Rusty Nuts regularly use return sections (one year was almost all returns, out and back from Turangi 5 times, that really mind-fucked a few people into withdrawing), it's never a problem.

'It's never a problem', apparently it was for the people who withdrew. However, I'm ok with using return sections.

Hope that sort of satisfys your queries on my earlier post.

**warewolf** · 25th January 2007, 22:52

Carl, I see where you are coming from on each point.

I'm not keen on a crowd scene myself, nor having a ride captain and lots of silly rules & badges. I doubt you are in a minority, either. But I reckon the dual-purpose community is probably small enough and anarchistic enough not to get to the point of "it's not fun anymore." Even if a club provided some back-end services and/or publicity, it would still only attract small numbers of people like us...err, maybe that is a problem?

If we have ten starters we'll be doing well.

I was suggesting avoiding Qn Charlotte because it will kill your average speed, not because it wouldn't be fun or would be hard work...purely a numbers game there and our objective is dirt not seal. We'll sacrifice speed for dirt but nought else if there are other options.

The GC route that mind-fucked people was not a problem in terms of safety regarding oncoming bikes. Sure it was a problem for people who couldn't mentally comprehend the point of it all and/or couldn't hack repeatedly coming back to their bed - but we were talking safety, and it wasn't an issue. Lee was finally allowed to use that route because too many people were saying "it's too easy". It's actually better because the constant oncoming traffic reminds both parties to 'play nice'.

The thing with these events (and any long trip) is to avoid the boring straight sections like the plague. That's what gets you. Riding in the twisties/rolling countryside keeps your concentration and awareness up, plus keeps you physically active on the bike thus avoiding soreness from sitting still too long. Riding across the Canterbury Plains near kills me, 30 minutes of that and I'm almost out of my tree...like a child with ADD...

**warewolf** · 25th January 2007, 22:57

Originally Posted by Zukin

I mean I would need to put on new tyres, a full service, maybe even fit some aux lights??

If it suits your schedule, feel free to do it at my place (minor service, not valve clearances unless you can do it yourself) I could even collect oil/filters/tyres locally for you. Still have all my notes, torque values etc from my DR-Z.

The chaps at Cycletreads Nelson are very helpful, bought all my tyres from them over the last 18 months.

**warewolf** · 25th January 2007, 23:26

Originally Posted by cooneyr

The only parts of the route that could be interesting is getting up the Porika and the Mangatapu with a pillion.

My first time on the Porika was with a pillion, in mid-winter, in misty rain, with a road tyre on the rear.

Not my smartest of plans.

Originally Posted by cooneyr

Serious thought - how do we manage safety in such a large group. We cant all stay together cause sill mean lots of time waiting for all to turn up at each stop due to spreading out for dust. Do we make up groups of two or three of similar speeds and each group must stay together.

Definitely should have a manned (or womanned) communications base, everyone is given that number to call (landline & txt), particularly in case of withdrawal. They have a list of names & numbers to call as necessary - entrants and maybe next of kin. Eg if a CHC rider has a mechanical dnf near Hanmer, no phone coverage, another rider could pass the message back to base and have them contact the dnf's next of kin for arranging a recovery ex-CHC...that sort of thing. It's just easier if you have all the info at hand. But requires a volunteer or two.

Probably do it solo 'officially' but with people teaming up to suit themselves. If people checked in with base at each stop then we'd be able to keep tabs on everyone. Dunno, maybe I'm over-complicating things?

**PLUG** · 26th January 2007, 07:41

Originally Posted by warewolf

Definitely should have a manned (or womanned) communications base, everyone is given that number to call (landline & txt), particularly in case of withdrawal. They have a list of names & numbers to call as necessary - entrants and maybe next of kin. Eg if a CHC rider has a mechanical dnf near Hanmer, no phone coverage, another rider could pass the message back to base and have them contact the dnf's next of kin for arranging a recovery ex-CHC...that sort of thing. It's just easier if you have all the info at hand. But requires a volunteer or two.

Probably do it solo 'officially' but with people teaming up to suit themselves. If people checked in with base at each stop then we'd be able to keep tabs on everyone. Dunno, maybe I'm over-complicating things?

Good idea WW ... a simple, common sence based contingency plan ... a must i fell ...