Shinko 005 tyres

[The Stranger:Me]

Hey Imdying, not hassling you for the red rep or nothing, but you are most welcome to enter the debate and put your views in the thread. I don't bite - do I?

So which is the best tyre? - you get agreement on that one for me and I'll try it next aye.

[Jimmy B]

No, simply that if you too scared to try something new and experiment you should retire and take the easy route.

Good on you for giving these a go and more importantly posting your thoughts. Its amazing what consumers will pay when it comes to brand perception and the inherant price premium for perceived quality. Reminds me of the Skoda relaunch, one model has the Audi A6 donk on a VW Passat platform yet is many 10's of thousands cheaper - weird huh

[SPman]

does the ZX9 have a 6" rear wheel?

The 9E (2000 - ) does - runs a 190 rear
No worries about slow heat up on 40 deg days......

[idleidolidyll]

The 9E (2000 - ) does - runs a 190 rear
No worries about slow heat up on 40 deg days......

yeah, thought it might

i wonder if the shinkos are designed for narrower rims, say 5" like in the 'good ol days' of Yokohama?

if they are, fitting them to 5.5" or 6" rims would tend to give them an odd flat profile.

i wonder if that kind of fitting data is available on their website?

[Fatjim]

No, simply that if you too scared to try something new and experiment you should retire and take the easy route.

Nothing new here to try, we're talking about 15 year old tyres mate. You should have said "simply that if you too scared to try something old and risky you should retire and take the easy route."

Its amazing what consumers will pay when it comes to brand perception and the inherant price premium for perceived quality. Reminds me of the Skoda relaunch, one model has the Audi A6 donk on a VW Passat platform yet is many 10's of thousands cheaper - weird huh

Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.

But I'm not talking brands here anyway, I'm talking technology and innovation that has improved motorcycle tyres over the last 2 decades. I personally like Yokohama tyres, run them on my car if the price is right. But I run a modern tyre not a 15 year old design on that as well.

[The Stranger:Me]

Nothing new here to try, we're talking about 15 year old tyres mate. You should have said "simply that if you too scared to try something old and risky you should retire and take the easy route."



Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.

But I'm not talking brands here anyway, I'm talking technology and innovation that has improved motorcycle tyres over the last 2 decades. I personally like Yokohama tyres, run them on my car if the price is right. But I run a modern tyre not a 15 year old design on that as well.

So the moulds are 15yrs old and the tread pattern is 15yrs old. Your proof that the compounds are 15yrs old is?

Tread pattern is not that important - especially in the dry.

The tyre salesman - a chap very well respected on KB and a member here - advised me that they recently poached people from Pirelli and improved them significantly as a result.

I invite you to prove him wrong and I will take it up with him, in no uncertain terms.

[SPman]

yeah, thought it might

i wonder if the shinkos are designed for narrower rims, say 5" like in the 'good ol days' of Yokohama?

Dunno - mine was a 190/55?x17 - was new on the bike when I got it - was rooted at 6000k when the Roo took me out!

[Fatjim]

So the moulds are 15yrs old and the tread pattern is 15yrs old. Your proof that the compounds are 15yrs old is?

Tread pattern is not that important - especially in the dry.

The tyre salesman - a chap very well respected on KB and a member here - advised me that they recently poached people from Pirelli and improved them significantly as a result.

I invite you to prove him wrong and I will take it up with him, in no uncertain terms.

Funny how the tread pattern is the easiest & cheapest thing to update yet they update all the bits hidden underneath. They'd sell more tyres using the old techniques and compounds with a "modern" tread pattern than the other way round, and lets face it, they make tyres for what reason? To make money.

The only people who really know what goes into this tyre are the manufacturer's engineers. They don't talk to salespeople very much in NZ. No matter how well respected they are on KB.

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, doesn't really matter. What really matters is that your getting pissed off over someone voicing what is essentially an opinion.

[ajturbo]

Dunno - mine was a 190/55?x17 - was new on the bike when I got it - was rooted at 6000k when the Roo took me out!

that will teach you to ride in a the west island

[The Stranger:Me]

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, doesn't really matter. What really matters is that your getting pissed off over someone voicing what is essentially an opinion.

Ha ha, no, you are. My opinion was that they are quite reasonable tyres. You took issue with that.
I am actually quite tollerant of people who don't know what they are talking about.

[Jimmy B]

Hang on, you've done the same thing by assuming the VW engine in the Skoda makes it a good car. Who says the VW engine's any good? I'm not sure if they have a good rep for motors? Maybe you're still thinking they make air cooled flat 4's. Big news mate, they've moved on.

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Hey Fatjim, are we talking the same point here? In my simple way I was trying to draw a comparision that good bad or otherwise people will pay a premium for what is essentially the same thing if its branded correctly. Hence Skoda and Audi share a lot of components yet one is vastly more expensive. Could not the same be said about Shinko and name brand tyres?

And BTW your "big news" is good news 'cause I import (both of) them from the factory on behalf of the wholesaler and have done so for 10 years.

[Fatjim]

Hey Fatjim, are we talking the same point here? In my simple way I was trying to draw a comparision that good bad or otherwise people will pay a premium for what is essentially the same thing if its branded correctly. Hence Skoda and Audi share a lot of components yet one is vastly more expensive. Could not the same be said about Shinko and name brand tyres?

Yeah we are mate, I was just extrapolating the idea. Just cause a SangYyong has a merc engine (which they made a big deal over) doesn't mean the cars any good. Same goes for Skoda and VW. Although I'd by a modern skoda over a Sang Yyong at the mo. When either start putting Honda, toyota or Nissan engines then they might be a good car.

And BTW your "big news" is good news 'cause I import (both of) them from the factory on behalf of the wholesaler and have done so for 10 years.

Sorry mate, no offence, but I never trust anybody with a vested interest in a product. Their either biased or misled. Peugeot dealers are the ultimate example of this.

Ha ha, no, you are. My opinion was that they are quite reasonable tyres. You took issue with that.
I am actually quite tollerant of people who don't know what they are talking about.

Nope, I'm certainly finding this more entertaining that annoying. and it's good to know that under that veneer your a tolerant kinda guy. I'll buy you a beer next time I'm in Auckers, as long as you're old enough to go into a pub.

[Jimmy B]

Yeah we are mate, I was just extrapolating the idea. Just cause a SangYyong has a merc engine (which they made a big deal over) doesn't mean the cars any good. Same goes for Skoda and VW. Although I'd by a modern skoda over a Sang Yyong at the mo. When either start putting Honda, toyota or Nissan engines then they might be a good car.


Sorry mate, no offence, but I never trust anybody with a vested interest in a product. Their either biased or misled. Peugeot dealers are the ultimate example of this.



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Fairymuff Fatjim, good discussion - JB

[The Stranger:Me]

Nope, I'm certainly finding this more entertaining that annoying. and it's good to know that under that veneer your a tolerant kinda guy. I'll buy you a beer next time I'm in Auckers, as long as you're old enough to go into a pub.

Thank you, should just scrape in by then.

[NordieBoy]

I liked my Shinko 009's on the Nordie.
Went through several sets.
Nice neutral handling.