Whetu Te Hiko

[crashe]

Incidentally, what is the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder - If you intend to kill someone isn't that murder?

Im not condoning what this dude did. He took a life he must pay for that crime.


But did he go in the classroom with the intention to murder Lois Dear?

He went there to take her car keys as he was going to steal her car.
She just happened to come across him stealing them.......
and was going to ring the police.

He paniced and tried to stop her............ from calling the police.

Yes he ended up killing her...... and yes he will do time.....

Life now is a minimum of 17 years before parole.
So he wont be going up before the parole board for 17 years.

In the court room he hung his head, he couldn't even look up at his own family...... he has been shamed....... and he knows he has done wrong.

Sure his brother may also be inside for another crime.....
Just cos one family member is inside for a nasty crime doesn't make all family members scum.

We do not know his back ground....... or what he was like...
I am sure it will come out in time.

But he hasnt allowed it to drag out for the victim's family..... he pleaded guilty. Which is good.

Now Lois Dear's family can move on......


Yes a life was taken for a set of car keys..... This guy did a stupid thing and he too is paying... as is his family, as is Lois Dear's family.

[Quartermile]

17 years Vs The rest of her life and alot of her familys???

THAT is not paying!!!

[Colapop]

It won't be 17 years though, will it? 10 years max. Either a very short life or just plain Bullshit.

[Quartermile]

Hope fully he will get packed with his own sh!t while in there, know what I mean

[Ixion]

Incidentally, what is the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder - If you intend to kill someone isn't that murder?

There is no such thing in NZ law as "X degree" murder. Those who speak of it have been wathing too many yank TV shows. We only have "murder". Pure and simple. No "first degree" "second degree" "third degree".

[jahrasti]

Just a question, was he scum before he killed the teacher or only after in your honest opinion?

He was a P fiend loser well before. Ask anyone from tokoroa.

[BuFfY]

Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle

[Pixie]

Awww, come on guys! give him a fair go! He was bullied, grew up in a home with alcohol addiction and wasn't loved. What can you expect?

Sue says his mum smacked him

[sunhuntin]

thing is, her family can not move on. they will live with this for at least the rest of the lives of those in the youngest generation [her grandkids for example]
its been 2 years since a very close friend of mine was murdered in cold blood. she was also raped, both vaginally and anally. ive heard more which doesnt bear thinking about, it just makes me sick. i will never move on, so i cant imagine how her family feel....she is daily in my thoughts.

these murdering scumbags need to be lined up and shot. get rid of the pricks. whats the point of keeping them alive? so in 10 years, they can play nice, get let out, and do another burton? i dont think so.
you take a life... be prepared to pay with yours. some countries, they cut your hand off if caught stealing.

[Guitana]

If I were his parents I would be handing myself into the police what sort of a background did this guy and his Rapist brother have to turn out like that???
If my child had done this he would'nt have to worry about the law I would do the job myself!!
These pricks need to start taking responsibility for the scum they're unleashing on the public!!!

[Colapop]

There is no such thing in NZ law as "X degree" murder. Those who speak of it have been wathing too many yank TV shows. We only have "murder". Pure and simple. No "first degree" "second degree" "third degree".

Thank-you for the clarification. So, Manslaughter is when the prosecutor canot prove intent?

[Ixion]

Pretty much. Murder is killing "with malice aforethought". Someone died and the perpetrator meant to do them harm (even if they didn't actually intend to kill them - if you give someone the bash and they die, it's still murder even if you only intended to hurt them)

Manslaughter is when someone dies as a result of a criminal act, or as a result of gross negligence, but the perpetrator did not have any actual intention of causing harm. That'svery simplified, and IANAL.

[Macktheknife]

I have no problem with the death sentence, provided there is no doubt about the guilt of the person. In this instance he has confessed and plead guilty, cool.... hang him, shoot him, inject him, feed him to the lions, I don't care.
Unfortunately if that happened, no-one else would ever plead guilty, so we could never be certain.
Instead, why not just put them into a labour camp and work them to death. Much more productive, they can earn their own keep, doesn't cost the taxpayer so much, and maybe they will start to understand why everyone else hates the bastards who think they can just take whatever they want without having to work for it.

[Timber020]

He was a P fiend loser well before. Ask anyone from tokoroa.

I havent seen Whitu in 6 years, and I have known him since he was a toddler. All of the kids of my family went to school with a member of his. I remember him well, and his brothers and his sister (who was good friends with my youngest sister). I didnt know that one of his brothers had been done for rape, do you know which one as from memory there were 8 kids I think. And whitu was the youngest.

His father and mother used to come to school and teach us everything from Maori craft to survival. If there was a school camp, his father was often there helping out in any way he could. The Bash was liberally given out in his family, his brother who I was in the same class with had a crooked arm from having it broken when younger and not having it set right. The brothers or sister I know of are hard working easy going guys who I would not hestitate to work with or employ.

When I first heard he had killed someone I knew it would have to do with one of NZ's worst 2 drugs. Drink or P. (look at the murder statistics around both.) Although I hadnt seen or heard anything about him in years, I couldnt see him doing something like that cold. But people change.

I read in the latest listener how a guy killed his other brother because he threatened there mum. He was so drunk when he did it (with a kitchen knife) he woke up in a cell the next morning and when told his brother had been killed he asked who did it, although he was covered in blood.

Im not blaming the drug or drink for this, and I dont think theres much of a right to life for anyone who kills somebody in this fashion, especially someone as down right lovely as Lois Dear. For this I would throw the switch myself.

But thje call to write off his whole family is just soapboxing, and as much as the idea of a lynchmob or vigilante assasination crew REALLY tempts me at times, its threads like this that makes me think theres more to the issue than posturing.

[Scouse]

It's a useless good for nothing cunt plain and simple just execute it