Whetu Te Hiko

**Scouse** · 26th February 2007, 16:14

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

As for their culture? I guess you missed the Kapa Haka National champs that were on last weekend?

yea well so did I thats gotta be the most boring shit to sit down and watch

**Paul in NZ** · 26th February 2007, 16:35

Originally Posted by Finn

Greedy and selfish? The vast majority of NZ'ers are struggling to make ends meet. Tell them they're greedy and selfish. You're about as out of touch as Helen fucken Clark, so tell me Paul, is it an unhealthy dose of academic ideology that's clouding your judgment?

If I can afford bigger walls it's because I worked my arse off to have the money to build them. So I don't appreciate having to pay for walls to be built for people who sit at home playing PS2 pumping out babies like its a fucken competition.

Don't give me that "all maori's aren't bad" shit. We're not at kindergarten.

Well you are just plain wrong... I'm actually one of those people struggling to make ends meet and I grew up really working class so I bloody know all about that shit mate. Been there got the tee shirt and trust me - I'm as dumb as a ditch and the least academic person you will meet (I had to look up how to spell academic).

There are a hell of a lot of Maori people working their arse off to build a better life for themselves and their families and they spend fuck all time playing on playstations. I've worked with a few of them and their valueset is not the same as yours and possibly mine but thats neither a good thing nor is it a bad thing. It just is!

As a society we have been sold the big capalist dream and given enough of the carrot to make us believe it will build a better society - it won't. Maori are looking after number 1. Who can blame them - oh yeah thats right.

**Finn** · 26th February 2007, 17:04

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

There are a hell of a lot of Maori people working their arse off to build a better life for themselves and their families and they spend fuck all time playing on playstations. I've worked with a few of them and their valueset is not the same as yours and possibly mine but thats neither a good thing nor is it a bad thing. It just is!

As a society we have been sold the big capalist dream and given enough of the carrot to make us believe it will build a better society - it won't. Maori are looking after number 1. Who can blame them - oh yeah thats right.

Well good for your friends but unfortunately there's another percentage sucking this country dry and you're right, it's not their fault. Givers get takers.

No Paul, Capitalism is an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists. In such a system, individuals and firms have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labour for wages with little or no government control. The function of regulating the economy is then achieved mainly through the operation of market forces where prices and profit dictate where and how resources are used and allocated.

In others words, handouts and special privilages for doing nothing is not the capitalist way.

**mstriumph** · 26th February 2007, 17:34

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

............... no sorry, can't have groups of people with specialist aims and a select membership base getting together ...................................

is there an echo in here?

this thread is becoming a replay of the '101 reasons for/against female KBer rides ........... ' thread

**doc** · 26th February 2007, 17:49

Originally Posted by Finn

Well good for your friends but unfortunately there's another percentage sucking this country dry and you're right, it's not their fault. Givers get takers.

No Paul, Capitalism is an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists. In such a system, individuals and firms have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labour for wages with little or no government control. The function of regulating the economy is then achieved mainly through the operation of market forces where prices and profit dictate where and how resources are used and allocated.

In others words, handouts and special privilages for doing nothing is not the capitalist way.

But thats the problem Labour is trying to balance Capitalism with Socialism. Like Bob Jones said sort of like trying "To pluck the golden goose to get the most amount of feathers with the least amount of hissing."

**Hitcher** · 26th February 2007, 18:32

Is it just me, or has this thread got more than a bit off topic?

**Finn** · 26th February 2007, 19:14

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Is it just me, or has this thread got more than a bit off topic?

No Hitcher, it's just you. Cause and effect.

**Hitcher** · 26th February 2007, 19:19

Originally Posted by Finn

No Hitcher, it's just you. Cause and effect.

My relief is unbounded.

**doc** · 26th February 2007, 19:22

What was the topic again ? The news has finished and I have trouble concentrating after that.

**Finn** · 26th February 2007, 19:25

Originally Posted by Hitcher

My relief is unbounded.

Put it back in your pants you dirty old man.

**Hitcher** · 26th February 2007, 19:29

Originally Posted by Finn

Put it back in your pants you dirty old man.

Are you saying that the term "coming in short pants" has nothing to do with the wearing of clothing?

**Paul in NZ** · 26th February 2007, 20:37

Originally Posted by Finn

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No Paul, Capitalism is an economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists. In such a system, individuals and firms have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labour for wages with little or no government control. The function of regulating the economy is then achieved mainly through the operation of market forces where prices and profit dictate where and how resources are used and allocated.

Wow - As an obvious academic you should have included the reference source you copied that from or else i will have to give you a failing mark.

**Finn** · 26th February 2007, 20:44

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Wow - As an obvious academic you should have included the reference source you copied that from or else i will have to give you a failing mark.

I left school in the 5th form but Dover taught me how to Google.

**Ixion** · 26th February 2007, 20:57

I'm not quite clear how all this related to a scumbag who bludgeoned a woman to death. He happened to be Maori, but , by the same token , he was male , too. Should we reread the various previous posts , substituting "male" for "Maori"?

Sometimes, a scumbag is just a scumbag. Tout court. You can't draw societal inferences from what it does.