Whetu Te Hiko

[Quartermile]

There seems to be alot more scumbags from a certain ethnicity

[Ixion]

Ture. And from a certain gender also.

[The_Dover]

Ture. And from a certain gender also.

don't be such a misogynist Les.

not all bitches are fuckin psychotic.

[Quartermile]

Depends if they're in a mall or not

[Shadows]

Its been said before, make prison life undesireable so they don't want to go back in, which is not how it is now. Imagine the staunch gang bangers being made to dress up in pink frilly overalls...

Funnily enough I watched an article on telly about a prison in the USA which has done just that. They reckon it cut recidivism in a really big way.

[Paul in NZ]

I'll bet a sackfull of farty arseholes there is more to this than meets the eye.. From memory the guy was living in a caravan.. I'll bet he has numerous issues and has come to the attention of the courts many times before. It's not that he is Maori - it's that there is no effective intervention when a series of family members or a cluster of individuals go well off the rails. In previous times he may have been in an insitiution? (who knows)

The wierd thing is... We get all bent out of shape about it and our justice system is NOT working here and when Maori suggest an alternative to try and stop this shit, people get foamy at the mouth about it... Very odd..

[Finn]

The wierd thing is... We get all bent out of shape about it and our justice system is NOT working here and when Maori suggest an alternative to try and stop this shit, people get foamy at the mouth about it... Very odd..

You mean like the Kahui twins?

[Paul in NZ]

You mean like the Kahui twins?

Exactly - all the 'systems' didn't work and failed those kids. The justice system has yet to produce a result - why not try an alternate - whats to loose? (personally I'd just shoot the lot of em but thats no longer allowed)

[Finn]

Exactly - all the 'systems' didn't work and failed those kids. The justice system has yet to produce a result - why not try an alternate - whats to loose? (personally I'd just shoot the lot of em but thats no longer allowed)

For fuck sake Paul, the system didn't murder those kids, the family did. The justice system can't produce a result when the family hide behind maori bullshit. MORE SOCIAL ENGINEERING IS NOT THE ANSWER! GIVE MAORIDOM AN INCH AND IT WILL TAKE THE COUNTRY. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE???

Paul, it's not a sin to be white.

[Paul in NZ]

For fuck sake Paul, the system didn't murder those kids, the family did. The justice system can't produce a result when the family hide behind maori bullshit. MORE SOCIAL ENGINEERING IS NOT THE ANSWER! GIVE MAORIDOM AN INCH AND IT WILL TAKE THE COUNTRY. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE???

Paul, it's not a sin to be white.

Are you mad or forgetful? I'm all for lining the lot of em up and shooting them but... How can this stuff happen when we have a family that is well known to the social services and Police?

The family are hiding behind Maori Bullshit? Nah - just bullshit I reckon.

You want Maoridom to be accountable and responsible and yet you won't give them the tools required to do the job? Sounds like you are a bit confused mate. As for them taking the country? I'm not aware thats on the agenda? Perhaps we would be better off if we leased it to the business Roundtable eh?

It's certainly no sin to be white - but it's not a license to play god either...

[Finn]

You want Maoridom to be accountable and responsible and yet you won't give them the tools required to do the job? Sounds like you are a bit confused mate. As for them taking the country? I'm not aware thats on the agenda? Perhaps we would be better off if we leased it to the business Roundtable eh?

It's certainly no sin to be white - but it's not a license to play god either...

What, aren't the tools that are available to everybody else not good enough? Are you saying that maori people are stupid and need special attention? You really are racist Paul. Go on, give us an example of the tools that you think will stop them from being on top of our statistics... I need a good laugh.

Not a license to play god... what a pathetic statement. We're not in the dark ages Paul, at least most of us aren't. You're talking as if we all just landed from the motherland last week.

[Paul in NZ]

What, aren't the tools that are available to everybody else not good enough? .

Well obviously not otherwise it would not have happened. In fact the tools don't seem to work for a lot of people regardless of race.

Are you saying that maori people are stupid and need special attention? .

Um.... Hello... Are you using some kind of language translation device that is confusing the meaning of my posts or are you on a wind up trolling voyage? Isn't it you saying they are stupid and need special attention? They are saying they are keen to take responsibility and here is a plan on how it may be achieved - lets talk about it..

You really are racist Paul.

I can be but recent learning experiences and working inside several different cultures over the years have taught me not to jump to conclusions. I hope I'm a better person for it.

Go on, give us an example of the tools that you think will stop them from being on top of our statistics... .

Finn - I'm not Maori so how would I know? I'm willing to listen to what they have to say about it though..

I need a good laugh..

You sure do mate - you will give yourself a heart attack at this rate. Don't worry though 'cos me and all my ethnic mates will have a jolly good feast and toast your cheerful nature late into the following week.

Not a license to play god... what a pathetic statement. .

Really - I kinda liked it - thought it was one of my better ones actually but all art is ultimately subjective so I will accept the criticisim and promise to try harder..

We're not in the dark ages Paul, at least most of us aren't. You're talking as if we all just landed from the motherland last week.

Just because you have been someplace for a long time does not make you wise, enlightened or right. The Dark Ages were called that because there is a distinct lack of written record. (mainly latin I suppose) Information was spread across the known (western) world by the church which was one of the only international organisations functioning and it was tightly controlled and debate was not encouraged. Thus - me encouraging debate would hardly indicate that I believe we are in the dark ages.... Your logic is defective.

We are however living in the brown age Finn. Get with the program bro...

[davereid]

Violent Crime ? Three strikes and you're out !

Strike I - Reform.
All the do-gooders get to have a go, they can show how effective their reforms are. They can teach basket weaving, watch videos on how crime affects victims, and have meetings with each other and grey haired social workers in sandles. If it works, then we wont need strike II.

Strike II - Punishment.
Long sentences, uncomfy, unpleasant jails, no drugs, no TV, no visitors, just lots of hard labour.

Strike III - Preventative detention. Just stay there until you are too old and frail to be a threat to society. Not trying to help or punish, just stop you breeding and being violent.

The cost ? It currently costs zillions to keep these guys in jail. Let private industry do it. I am sure I could do a very good job for much less !

[Finn]

Well good luck with all that Paul. Meanwhile a little penguin is hungry in Antarctica. Whatcha gonna do Paul?

I'm sure Helen appreciates your vote though.

[Paul in NZ]

Well good luck with all that Paul. Meanwhile a little penguin is hungry in Antarctica. Whatcha gonna do Paul?

I'm sure Helen appreciates your vote though.

Ah - a red herring would probably feed the little penguin for a bit....

You run out of puff mate ?? I thought you would have been good for another round at least... Never voted for Helens Govt in me life mate...