Urgent - braided brake line wanted.

**Motu** · 4th March 2007, 10:02

Numbers are no longer required - but they must be crimped fittings.If you have screw together hoses with the required standards markings on them they will fail on your next WoF.This is gunna be fun.....

**Bonez** · 4th March 2007, 10:21

Originally Posted by Motu

Numbers are no longer required - but they must be crimped fittings.If you have screw together hoses with the required standards markings on them they will fail on your next WoF.This is gunna be fun.....

Link please.
http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/cer...ml#motorcycles

**Duc** · 4th March 2007, 11:11

(Note: Russell Lines are crimped to the banjo and have a screw fitting to the hose)

The letter I got from AMPS when I purchased the Russell Braided lines and fittings is very clear.

It is a confirmation from the LTNZ that provided certain conditions are met, these particular lines are legal under 'NZ recognised FMVSS 106 Brake Standard'. It states that they must be labeled and numbered in a certain way with ID marks on sleeves. Removal of the IDs nulls the compliance.

Standards accepted:

1. The hose has been designed for highway use and

2. The hose can be shown to comply with one of the following standards
FMVSS 106 Brake hose or...

ISO 3996 Brake hose assemblies for hydraulic braking systems for use with non petroleum based hydraulic fluids or...

Japanese Industrial Standard JS D2601 Hydraulic Brake Hose assemblies or...

Australian Design Rule 7/00 Hydraulic Brake Hose.

Hope this helps.

**Bonez** · 4th March 2007, 11:28

Originally Posted by Duc

(Note: Russell Lines are crimped to the banjo and have a screw fitting to the hose)

The letter I got from AMPS when I purchased the Russell Braided lines and fittings is very clear.

It is a confirmation from the LTNZ that provided certain conditions are met, these particular lines are legal under 'NZ recognised FMVSS 106 Brake Standard'. It states that they must be labeled and numbered in a certain way with ID marks on sleeves. Removal of the IDs nulls the compliance.

Standards accepted:

1. The hose has been designed for highway use and

2. The hose can be shown to comply with one of the following standards
FMVSS 106 Brake hose or...

ISO 3996 Brake hose assemblies for hydraulic braking systems for use with non petroleum based hydraulic fluids or...

Japanese Industrial Standard JS D2601 Hydraulic Brake Hose assemblies or...

Australian Design Rule 7/00 Hydraulic Brake Hose.

Hope this helps.

Yeah figures there should be some sort of indication on the lines. How else are testers going to know they comply? Hense my asking Motu for a suitable link to back up his statement they don't have to be label/marked and that they should just be crimped-

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...cfr571.106.htm

**Motu** · 4th March 2007, 12:07

There is a new VIRM which comes into effect 5 March,I don't think it is on the web site yet,but should be.All reference to braided hoses needing to comply to certain standards has been removed,now the wording just states that ''hoses must be attached to the end fittings by swaging,machine crimping or a similar process''.And note 6 says that ''Hose fittings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable''.

Come and try me for a WoF tomorrow - I don't care what numbers are on your hoses,if they aren't swaged you fail....

**imdying** · 4th March 2007, 13:22

As of 5th March 2007:
http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/cer...cles-08-v3.pdf

Reasons for rejection:
18. A flexible hydraulic brake hose (including connections):
g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose by means of swaging, machine crimping or a similar process (Note 6).

Note 6:
Hose end fi ttings that can be undone using hand tools are unacceptable.

It's all there, and easy to find. Personally, I had no problem with their last set of rules... no number, no WOF, but this allows a little more freedom, given that not all lines have the same codes due to various countries of origin.

**Motu** · 4th March 2007, 13:46

I think that may of been one of the reasons for the wording change - there are so many different standards no one is to know what is valid what someone just stamped on.A crimped or swaged hose has been done by someone with the correct gear to make a hose to specs....anyone can put together screwed together hoses.I don't think it will make much difference really,just a few threads started screaming about their brake hoses failing.

**Duc** · 4th March 2007, 15:00

What is really interesting if they reject any connections that can be undone "using hand tools" is assumeably because of the potential of a hydraulic link failure (leak) due to "bad wrenching".

So what do they do about the Bleed Valve because you can have exactly the same result at that point.

Anyway currently I am legal and if they change the rules 5 Mar. (tomorrow) I wonder if we all have to change our brake systems. ?????

**imdying** · 4th March 2007, 15:19

Originally Posted by Duc

What is really interesting if they reject any connections that can be undone "using hand tools" is assumeably because of the potential of a hydraulic link failure (leak) due to "bad wrenching".

No, it's because a number of the screw together systems use one use olives, any too many people use them more than one.

Originally Posted by Duc

So what do they do about the Bleed Valve because you can have exactly the same result at that point.

Not related, see above.

Originally Posted by Duc

Anyway currently I am legal and if they change the rules 5 Mar. (tomorrow) I wonder if we all have to change our brake systems. ?????

Yep, if they're not crimp types you sure will.

**Bonez** · 4th March 2007, 17:00

Still seems a bit open to interpritation. Seems TOO black and white if there is such a thing. IE what about those hoses the end fitting of the hose is crimped on but then this can be screwed onto other fitting/adapters that go onto the brake calipers. These fittings can have can have tubing attached, like most cars, where the brake hose is screwed into using hand tools then at on end then screwed onto the caliper at the other using hand tools. For example older motorcycles such as sohc CB750s etc Those that don't have bango fittings. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Thanks for the links btw guys.

**Bonez** · 4th March 2007, 17:41

Hmm, wouldn't it be a dag if Ducs original lines comply with the 5 March change.....

**imdying** · 4th March 2007, 17:50

Originally Posted by Bonez

Still seems a bit open to interpritation. Seems TOO black and white if there is such a thing. IE what about those hoses the end fitting of the hose is crimped on but then this can be screwed onto other fitting/adapters that go onto the brake calipers. These fittings can have can have tubing attached, like most cars, where the brake hose is screwed into using hand tools then at on end then screwed onto the caliper at the other using hand tools. For example older motorcycles such as sohc CB750s etc Those that don't have bango fittings. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Thanks for the links btw guys.

So long as the hose cannot be disassembled no problem. I'm guessing you're thinking of the braided hose systems that have a number of premade hoses in various lengths, and then use a 45 degree conical concave seat in the female ends. These are then mated to adaptors and banjos of various sizes/shapes/angles. Those would be perfectly legal.

But (there's always a but), those are visually indistinguishable from screw together braided hoses

So if I was a vehicle inspector, I'd fail them, unless I had experience with that specific brand. Of course, you could take them off the bike and show them to me, and that would be fine. That is of course a hassle of your own making though, running non standard braking parts.... an inspector cannot possibly be expected to be familiar with the setup of every possible brand, so I believe that it's unfair to fault them on that.

Long story short. Adaptors (banjos, male/female, male/male etc) are fine. So long as the hose has crimped ends that either terminate in ends designed to seal to the adaptors, or terminate in regular ends like male/female ends or banjos, then they're fine. The crimp is the key.

**Motu** · 4th March 2007, 18:21

Originally Posted by Bonez

Maybe I'm reading into it too much.

You certainly are,it's very simple....and that's why the wording change.

And that's why there will be a change in the exhaust rules too - customers complain too much about individual inspectors interpretations of the rules.....so it becomes black and white,pass or fail.

You asked for it.

**Bonez** · 4th March 2007, 18:38

Originally Posted by imdying

So long as the hose has crimped ends that either terminate in ends designed to seal to the adaptors, or terminate in regular ends like male/female ends or banjos, then they're fine.

That what I was after. So it can be a crimped fitted screwed into an adapter, say one thread type to another (say male/male to another fitting compatable with the calipers thread) then attached to the caliper.

**pritch** · 4th March 2007, 18:45

Originally Posted by Motu

And that's why there will be a change in the exhaust rules too - customers complain too much about individual inspectors interpretations of the rules.....so it becomes black and white,pass or fail.

Yep simple! But the few inspectors that were total tossers will still be total tossers.

Ummmm does that mean I can buy Galfer hoses now :-)