That was pretty good guys, I found the solenoid and shorted it with pilers. I also, almost pissed my pants when the bike started. With that said, I have a bad solenoid right?
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That was pretty good guys, I found the solenoid and shorted it with pilers. I also, almost pissed my pants when the bike started. With that said, I have a bad solenoid right?
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Or a bad starter switch , or a broken wire from the switch to the solenoid. Odds are on a dud solenoid though.
There should be three wires coming from the solenoid (maybe 4). Two big thick ones going to the terminals you shorted out. And one or two thin ones. One of the thin ones is the wire from the switch , the other is there is a fourth is to earth.
What complicates things is that soem bikes actually use the starter switch in the earth connect .
If you can figure out which wires those are and disconnect them, put the meter across them in ohms mode (the omega symbol). See if either one is connected to earth (low or zero meter reading). If so connect a wire from the battery positive to the OTHER wire, and see if the starter works. (if they're both connected to earth you have a short circuit)
If not, or if you only have one thin wire, switch the meter to volts DC and see if you get voltage between any wire and earth, with the ignition on and pressing the starter switch.
If not, turn the meter to ohms again, and see f any wire is connected to earth when you press the starter switch.
If none of these apply, then you possibly have a dud switch or a broken wire.
Originally Posted by skidmark
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Haha! Yeah it can give you a bit of a scare when you are that close & holding some pliers over a bridge.
The solenoid is a remote switch. You know the switching side works, so you can pull the thin push on wires off & apply voltage & earth to the correct sides & the switch should operate, or it is dud.
On an old Zook I had the starter button get a bit dirty & that caused similar issue. you can take the switch block apart & clean it up if the resistance is high. They can be a little fiddly, but no issue if you are careful.
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I have four wires coming from the solenoid. 2 are a little bigger and red. The 2 smaller ones are black and yellow and black and white. They all stem from a single connector that I can disconnect from the solenoid, so I don't think I can just disconnect the smaller ones. By disconnect did you want me to cut the wires, follow your tests and then splice them back together?
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Ah, no. Often the thick ones are bolt onto, & the smaller ones plug. Just try take the button apart & see if that helps.
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I was getting voltage to the starter switch so that lead me to believe that it was the solenoid. (It's the part labeled 1) So I bought a new one and it didn't help. I had my brother come over and he can ghetto rig anything. The best suggestion he had was to wire a push button to the solenoid so anytime i wanted to start it i could just push the button. He did however suggest testing the main relay (the other two pictures). So I took it to a shop and they said it was bad because the resistance was high. So I waited for a week for the part to come in and replaced it... and nothing. So now I'm was tracing the voltage and it doesn't change when i press the starter button.
But, when I have the kill switch in run mode it the voltage continues.
When I press the start switch the voltage continues.
I traced it through a few connectors and it leads to the clutch but I don't see and wires coming from the clutch. Do I take the clutch apart? Also it should start if i have the fairings and seat off right?
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
The clutch? Nah. Will start without seat & fairings.
the below is a bit confusing. Where are you testing all this?
So now I'm was tracing the voltage and it doesn't change when i press the starter button.
But, when I have the kill switch in run mode it the voltage continues.
When I press the start switch the voltage continues.
trying to catch up
ok so you know the solenoid works as you can short cct the incoming switch wires right?
so if you check the other two wires what happens when you push the button? The button may just short to earth when pushed. Does this happen?
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I took the starter/kill switch assembly apart. I was just saying, with the two switches engaged, pressed, bridged or whatever it is called, the current continue along the wires.
I attached the first picture to make sure we were talking about the same thing. If you look at fig 1. you can see 2 nuts where the wires from the battery connect. I short ccted that to get it running. If you look at the platic covering (fig 1A) the hole in the top is where a plug goes through and it has 4 wires coming from the plug. 2 positives and 2 negatives. If i unplug it the lights and digital dash go out. With it plugged in I jammed the multimeter in the 2 pos (one at a time) and hit the starter switch. The voltage did not drop.
I grounded the multimeter on the frame, should I jammed the multimeter ground into the respective negative wire?
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