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  1. #31
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    Hmmm, we can theorise for ever but really what it boils down to is what lights your fire? All the suggestions here are good, buy the one you lay awake at night dreaming about. Virtually all bikes in the class can be adapted to what you want, some require more adapting than others.

    If you haven't ridden much gravel, then you probably won't have much idea of what you like. And as you learn, what you like & want changes. Consider turning over a few bikes in the short term to find what you like and develop your skills before launching into a RTW trip. Or just buy something, f@ck off and learn as you go - either approach works.

    Any bike will require suspension tuning to your weight & style. Higher quality suspension lasts longer, usually is cheaper to service/tune and typically has a bigger pool of tuning knowledge and parts availability. Apart from working better out of the box. Suspension tuning is a boom industry, there are now lots of people making cheap improvements to the most basic suspension.

    A few words about the KTM: I bought the KTM because I didn't want to do much adapting. I've added heated grips, rewired low-beam to stay on with high-beam, removed an unnecessary front disc, swapped out the shock linkages to lower the bike 28mm and shortened the stand to suit. That's it, except I'd like some bracing/heat shields for the soft luggage.

    Out of the box, apart from the obvious good dynamics, it has a comfort seat, 25.5L tank (good for 480km general riding, 495km during the Dusty Butt!!; the earlier bikes and the rallye have 28L), effective fairing & headlights, bash plate, hand guards, a dual-map ignition that handles either 95RON or down to 80RON (only parts of Siberia go down to 78?RON, lots of Africa, Eurasia, South America do mid-80s), and good wide metal footpegs with rubber inserts. And you can buy rallye stuff from the catalogue knowing it will work well.

    Two critical weaknesses on the recent bikes: pre-2003 there is an engine/gearbox bearing that needs replacing, it was a warranty fix, retrofitted cheaply, 2003-on done by the factory. And it seems 2005-6 models have dodgy cam follower bearings that fail between 15-35,000km. Not enough info out there yet to know the extent of the problem. Every bike has a couple of these kind of niggles, eg KLR's doohickey.

    The only other issues are minor; the rims are very soft, the air filter is too small for the engine so it needs regular attention, and most recent bikes develop a cam cover leak above the LHS exhaust port (readily fixed with the correct strength sealant). Everything else is fluff and bother - stuff you're gonna fiddle with on any bike.

    In terms of reliability, I did a fair bit of research. I found so many stories of supposedly bulletproof Jap bikes grenading for no apparent reason that I figured luck was more important than the badge.

    The aforementioned advrider.com is excellent, as is Horizons Unlimited. For tech info, sites like KTMTalk are good. Find one or two for your chosen make/model. There are plenty out there.

    Oh, and try to do some dirt training courses too. You are the best value upgrade on any bike.

    Lastly, enjoy your journey!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by svs View Post
    like this one?
    I e-mailed him about that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svs View Post
    i want to be able to pick it up when i drop it in a ditch
    DR 650. Next!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warewolf View Post
    If you haven't ridden much gravel, then you probably won't have much idea of what you like. And as you learn, what you like & want changes. Consider turning over a few bikes in the short term to find what you like and develop your skills before launching into a RTW trip. Or just buy something, f@ck off and learn as you go - either approach works.
    thanks for the info. everything in this thread and PM's is helping me along the way to figure out what i want. I think I'm going to cycle through a few bikes and decide what i like and just get out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Sounds like a DR650 with seat, tank, screen would do the job nicely.
    Aren't you describing a Suzuki XF650 Freewind?

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    The Freewind only got a 19 inch front wheel, lots more plastic and paint and weighs a lot more so i'd say no, not describing a Freewind.
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    KTMs may have long term reliability issues - even KTM themselves didn't want to supply bikes for the "Long Way Round".
    I think that the main reason that KTM were not keen, was that it was still a new model of bike to them and a bit unproven.
    KTM have a habit of releasing bike quickly to the production line and use that as a testing ground. (in the real world and real owners and conditions)
    But they do repair and back up their product.

    I have had a few KTM's and love my 640E.
    As I can put it on the MX track and ride it on the road.
    I mainly ride mine hard on the off road tracks as the guys in CH.CH know.
    As far as a good off and on road bike goes I will rate the 640 as one of the best.
    The down side is that they do cost more, but you are getting more for your money.

    Now the DR 650 is a good bike as well and is under rated by some.
    But for me as I have both in the shed I will always be riding the KTM640E as I find the DR650 a good bike, but to soft and road going for me.

    As I always say, Ride them all if you can and buy the one YOU like and suites YOUR needs.
    Feel the fear and do it anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by XF650 View Post
    Aren't you are describing a Suzuki XF650 Freewind?
    Who'd be silly enough to buy one of them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by svs View Post
    I'll add the KTM to the list. like the fact it has kick start as well as the electric.
    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyr View Post
    Personally I'd test ride the KTM LC4 adventure if you can find one
    Look what I found when I went for a wander at lunchtime - a brand spanking new KTM640 Adventure. Here's their website, although for some reason the bike isn't listed there.

    You'll have to excuse the poor photo quality - it's the best I could do in a crowded showroom with a cellphone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by far queue View Post
    Look what I found when I went for a wander at lunchtime - a brand spanking new KTM640 Adventure. Here's their website, although for some reason the bike isn't listed there.

    You'll have to excuse the poor photo quality - it's the best I could do in a crowded showroom with a cellphone.
    Better I don't know about these things. I'll be all grumpy and annoyed for weeks now - unless anybody wants to give me $17k

    Damn lotto!

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    I was the same, all road/race bikes, wanted to get more offroad. Brought a KLR650 ($5000) which was a good bike at the time for taking wife and dog on sealed road or 4wd tracks but was a little heavy for proper offoad and too pedestrian on-road, should have got a large XR instead.
    With the wife home looking after the kids I got the KLX400. Can go anywhere now but road cruising limited to 110km (speed AND distance)

    Suggestion - get somethin cheap and common, get out there and you will soon find out what you are really after without losing a pile of dosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by svs View Post
    Well, I'm seriously considering getting an adventure bike and doing some serious travelling on it. things have changed for me personally so now i might have the opportunity to do this sort of stuff.

    Now I've only ever owned road (and race) bikes before, never really done much in the way of back road /green lane/ gravel/ off-road stuff.

    The plan is to do NZ as much as possible, then across oz (cairns to perth) and then we'll see after that (europe anyone?). The time frames for this are in the next couple of years.

    So where do you start? Bikes. Looking at xt660r, older xr650l, klr650 and transalp. beemers are too expensive for what they are. Any advice appreciated. Or should i just start out on a cheaper whatever off tardme then decide what's best after a few months and trade it in?

    This year I'm still concentrating on the road racing, but after that and in between? who knows?
    Gidday SVS!
    I see that you are considering the XR650L as a touring bike.
    I would recommend this bike as a suberb off-road touring option. They are not imported into NZ new anymore, but theres plenty of older models available second-hand.
    I recently crossed Australia on a 650L, through the middle, from Perth to Cairns, and it certainly did the job for me!

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    Way late in the day, but I have some loose change I can spend on this subject.

    You don't need "A bike" you really need "2 bikes".
    Never ridden off road before, then you are going to enter a whole new world of fun (and pain). If you don't drop your bike in your first few excursions off the tarmac then you ain't trying hard enough.

    So if you get a shiny new plastiky dual purpose bike you will be so poo scared of scratching it you ain't going to have any fun. The more you worrying the tenser you become the more chance you have off falling.

    If I was going to start off road again I would get an old, light weight moto-x pref with electric start. Ride this bike for a while (remembering to disconnect the battery BEFORE welding the bits back on).

    The one thing I would recommend is good armour. I cracked one knee guard and put a nice dent in an elbow guard. Would probably have been broken bones without them.

    Then when you confident with a bit of rough play go buy a bigger toy. The comfort argument is your choice some say the KTM hurts after a few km's, ask Warewolf he knows what 1600kms feels like on his KTM. On the other hand, my Transalp eats the road kms with more comfort than a trail bike or a sport. But off road my lunch break will be a lot shorter than the true trail riders, but still i can go off road :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick27 View Post
    Gidday SVS!
    I see that you are considering the XR650L as a touring bike.
    I would recommend this bike as a suberb off-road touring option. They are not imported into NZ new anymore, but theres plenty of older models available second-hand.
    I recently crossed Australia on a 650L, through the middle, from Perth to Cairns, and it certainly did the job for me!
    That your mates bike on trademe then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by svs View Post
    That your mates bike on trademe then?
    Nah, not that I'm aware of. Three of us crossed Aussie on XR650L bikes, and we've all still got them.

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