Number-one driving offence.

[Edbear]

So did the stop sign work in this case? .

I think you miss the point. No amount of regulation is going to stop people breaking the rules, witness the number of idiots taking on trains despite bells and barriers. Does that mean we shouldn't have rules? Who decides where there should be a CS or GW sign and why?

Opinions differ, but someone has to make the decision and we as road users are obliged to accept that decision. It is anarchy when people in general think they will disobey rules as it suits them because they know better than the authorities and then get angry when they are forced to face the consequences.

Maybe you are an expert driver/rider, and don't have or cause accidents, but does that mean the the rules should be set for your skill level or for the skill levels of those who are not as good as you?

Show me a driver/rider who knows he's incompetent and I'll show you a very rare person. Every incompetent I see on the road seems to think they are driving well!

SD makes a very good point. Why did the morons drive through the CS? DId they do so thinking they'd purposely crash? Does anyone crash on purpose? (Well, in some cases, but generally?) Why do accidents happen?

[Ixion]

I do not know about Wellington. But in the Norf, I have not observed any significant over use or inappropriate use of "Stop" signs.

So I think that it is wise to heed them, someone clearly thought there was a good reason why coming to a halt was advisable.

If they become abused (like yellow lines since the Insane Yellow Paint Maniac escaped from the asylum) I may change my mind. Until then, I will stop,and I would prefer it if other road users did likewise.

[Clockwork]

If "'cos the law sez ya should" and "There is just no excuse of not stopping, period." is all you've got then there's not much point in continuing this discussion.

For what its worth I suspect the intersections I have in mind have probably been CS since the days when the road they are on used to be SH2 but that was 20 years ago! so its anyone's guess what else may have changed about the intersection in that time it doesn't warrant a CS now

Anyway my name is not Sherlock and I don't like being referred to as a fucker. I guess the personal abuse means you've run out of rational arguments. Never mind, just assure me that you two pious gents ALWAYS obey EVERY law, I'd hate to think that this thread had made hypocrites of you.

Oh and yes SD. I do think my time is more important than anyone else's but I don't drive through these intersections to save time I do it because I can see nothing is fucking well coming and stopping would be pointless! I do this because I can think for myself and I will not surrender that right to bureaucrats. However, if the day ever dawns that I loose the ability to think for myself, then that's the day I will join the Police. I guess I will fit right in.

[Patrick]

Anyway my name is not Sherlock and I don't like being referred to as a fucker. I guess the personal abuse means you've run out of rational arguments. Never mind, just assure me that you two pious gents ALWAYS obey EVERY law, I'd hate to think that this thread had made hypocrites of you.

Oh and yes SD. I do think my time is more important than anyone else's but I don't drive through these intersections to save time I do it because I can see nothing is fucking well coming and stopping would be pointless! I do this because I can think for myself and I will not surrender that right to bureaucrats. However, if the day ever dawns that I loose the ability to think for myself, then that's the day I will join the Police. I guess I will fit right in.

Reading seems to be a problem with this one...

As it has been pointed out, many, many times....in many, many threads...

Dummies drive though these intersections because nothing is coming... as they say...

Yet why are they black spot crash areas? A fleeting glance doesnt always see the oncoming motorcyclist for example, and how many times do we hear about this type of situation on here?

"I didn't see him officer..." should in fact be, "I didn't stop and take a reasonable look before I pulled out when I thought nothing was coming, officer, because I am too self centred to give a toss about anyone else on the roads I am sharing with..."

Come on Sherlock... get with the programme..

[Clockwork]

No Patrick, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it’s your comprehension. I'll try to dumb it down for you.

Dummies may well say that there was nothing coming but we both know that vehicles don't materialise out of thin air. So, dummies drive through intersections and cause accidents because they didn't look, not because they didn't stop. And lets face it a "fleeting glance" isn't good enough at any intersection. If I have to stop to see, I will (funnily enough we have GW intersections like that in Upper Hutt too)

Come on Sherlock... get with the programme..

Which program would this be, Nanny Noes Best?... nah, I think I'll skip it. The local Bureaucrats are going to have to start demonstrating some far better reasoning skills before I take them seriously. I resigned my membership of the Tuffty Club when I was 8, I've been crossing the road just fine since then (I've even been known to cross then the light was red, but then again, only when there's nothing coming.)

[Grahameeboy]

Time our Clockwork..........

But the problem with a lot of drivers is that they do just glance and often as they are moving forward over the give way line so I do not see anything wrong with Stop Signs. In fact, all intersections should be controlled by Stop Signs, regardless of 100m vision because by stopping it may just make the driver / rider think more and actually look rather than glance.

I mean how dumb is it having Give Way signs anyway, Stop Signs should be mandatory like speed signs.........you can only properly have an idea that it is safe to emerge by stopping first, enabling a driver to establish important factors like how fast is the car / bike on the road travelling and is it safe to emerge or should I wait.

[Skyryder]

If "'cos the law sez ya should" and "There is just no excuse of not stopping, period." is all you've got then there's not much point in continuing this discussion.

For what its worth I suspect the intersections I have in mind have probably been CS since the days when the road they are on used to be SH2 but that was 20 years ago! so its anyone's guess what else may have changed about the intersection in that time it doesn't warrant a CS now

Anyway my name is not Sherlock and I don't like being referred to as a fucker. I guess the personal abuse means you've run out of rational arguments. Never mind, just assure me that you two pious gents ALWAYS obey EVERY law, I'd hate to think that this thread had made hypocrites of you.

Oh and yes SD. I do think my time is more important than anyone else's but I don't drive through these intersections to save time I do it because I can see nothing is fucking well coming and stopping would be pointless! I do this because I can think for myself and I will not surrender that right to bureaucrats. However, if the day ever dawns that I loose the ability to think for myself, then that's the day I will join the Police. I guess I will fit right in.

If you want to live long and ride safe another attitude would be a smart move. Both Heaven and Hell have plenty of your types as residents.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

No Patrick, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it’s your comprehension. I'll try to dumb it down for you.

This could read "No Clockwork, reading doesn't seem to be your problem, I would suggest it is YOUR comprehension..." Others have dumbed it down for you, but you still don't get it....

Dummies may well say that there was nothing coming but we both know that vehicles don't materialise out of thin air.

No shit Sherlock...

So, dummies drive through intersections and cause accidents because they didn't look, not because they didn't stop. And lets face it a "fleeting glance" isn't good enough at any intersection. If I have to stop to see, I will (funnily enough we have GW intersections like that in Upper Hutt too)

Dummies drive through stop signs without stopping because it doesn't apply to them...

Which program would this be, Nanny Noes ((aaaaargh - knows!!!) - unless you're playing a clever pun on the negativity)SP) Best?... nah, I think I'll skip it.

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