just did a google for suzuki frame failure and got a bunch of links to various gsxr's that have just snapped in half when going over potholes, speedbumps etc.
searching the same thin for kawa, yamaha, and honda does not give any such results
Highway Biker
just did a google for suzuki frame failure and got a bunch of links to various gsxr's that have just snapped in half when going over potholes, speedbumps etc.
searching the same thin for kawa, yamaha, and honda does not give any such results
Forum whore
It's on the Internets, it must be true!
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It better be! If it isn't, they'll likely get their asses sued...Originally Posted by imdying
AFAIK, libel laws apply equally to the internet as to printed or video/TV mediums. Even emails...
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Email wouldnt meet the definition of defamation unless it was subsequently published.
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I'm no lawyer, but my understanding of it is that by fact of it being transmitted on a public medium (the internet), it is then regarded as having been published.
I think there were some cases where emails were pulled off servers somewhere to prove it... That's the problem with email - it aint secure - and copies of it get left all over the place... ...like every server it goes through...
Forum whore
Being a Honda rider I'm not qualified to comment on product failure, but would these frame failures be exacerbated by multiple wheel standing and the pressure placed on the frame as the wheel hits the deck? My 2 yen
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Easy Biker
The answer is obviously yes, but then because aluminium does not have a fatigue limit any load applied or bump hit puts stresses in the frame that all add up to using up the fatigue life of the frame. The larger the stresses applied the quicker it will fail - simple as that. Just like aircraft airframes any aluminium stressed component has a finite life and they forever crack test and maintain those so they don't fall out the sky - often.
If this is true about the Suzuki frames it would seem they have stuffed up their design assumptions and not made the frame as strong and fatigue resistant as it should be.
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Merv
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Yes, especially if the rider isn't very good at them. They're a finely tuned race (effectively) bike, not an early 90's tankPeople want super duper light weight, every year smaller and lighter... of course the margin of abuse that they'll take will reduce.
/edit: People will be all like moan moan it should be able to take it, but of course, it can... for a while, just how much abuse should the bike be able to take? 10 cack handed wheelies? 50? 500? They're bikes for pro riders, and should be treated as such.
Easy Biker
Boeing are building the 787 with a carbon fibre fuselage. John Britten was onto something as fatigue isn't the same issue as it is with aluminium - however remember even John f....d up and his early forks collapsed under test at Ruapuna - basically a strength issue.
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Merv
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Very bad as carbon fibre puts some very nasty stuff into the air when it burns. And as we know planes invariably catch fire when they crash.
Can't be alot of fun going fast on a Gixxer these days worrying if its going to fall in half.
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Fortunately I don't ride fast, so should be ok.
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If it is true then the manufacturer should be the one worried about law suits and not just for libel - especially if anyone has been killed. Go through this forum carefully and you'll find every product from every manufacturer has been slandered at some point (and if you think that's bad try going to a bicycle forum). If something is wrong then they should be looking into it and doing something about it (recall) not suing people (unless they want to go bankrupt extremely quickly).
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The worry is that if some are failing now what will the rest be like in 2-3 years time when they get to a similar point in their fatigue life (through less abusive owners)? I tend to buy a bike to keep for 5 years or so and I'm sure many others do the same.Yes, especially if the rider isn't very good at them. They're a finely tuned race (effectively) bike, not an early 90's tank
/edit: People will be all like moan moan it should be able to take it, but of course, it can... for a while, just how much abuse should the bike be able to take? 10 cack handed wheelies? 50? 500? They're bikes for pro riders, and should be treated as such.
Forum whore
You make an excellent pointSome people reckon Japanese bikes are 'disposable', perhaps they ain't seen nothing yet!
Easy Biker
Hey there I was down in ChCh in the weekend kind of checking out the bike shops and I stopped and had a good look at the Gixxer 1000 the Suzuki dudes had in the showroom on Manchester Street.
Now has this got anything to do with the problem? The latest model frame has a complete welded connection on both sides right where they are said to be breaking so have they built in a weak spot or not heat treated it afterwards to get rid of the residual stresses in the parent metal or something?
Maybe all Gixxer riders should trade them in (or is that send them to the scrapyard) on a steel framed Honda Hornet then you can wheelie to your hearts content without worrying about the front end falling off.
Cheers
Merv
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