Texans get it right

**MSTRS:Me** · 29th March 2007, 12:08

Originally Posted by slowpoke

So you are allowed to steal from the music/movie distributors....but no one is allowed to steal from you? By your own definition the distributors have got every right to go medievil on your ass....

I did say 'back-up' and I do have/paid for the original. Besides, I am allowed to copy what I already own. The grey area comes in where I 'may' be classed as distributing, but then I am not making money from that act...
As far as the second scenario goes, unless I break into their warehouse to take a physical CD from the shelf, the law will not give them that right.

**sunhuntin** · 29th March 2007, 12:20

agreed with mstrs... they enter my property, they have lost all rights. same with the death penalty for murder and rape etc. once they have commited such crimes, they have lost the right to keep their own lives.

its unfair that we are not allowed to defend our property and lives. why should the hard working be made to give up items to theives? i had an old woman at work the other day, who was telling me shell only put $20 petrol in her car due to losing over $100 worth to theives who siphoned it. she would have been over 60...likely not working. why should she have to put up with losing that much gas to low lifes whove never worked a day in their lives?

**Dave Lobster** · 29th March 2007, 12:43

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

why should the hard working be made to give up items to theives? i had an old woman at work the other day, who was telling me shell only put $20 petrol in her car due to losing over $100 worth to theives who siphoned it. she would have been over 60...likely not working. why should she have to put up with losing that much gas to low lifes whove never worked a day in their lives?

Its called socialism. In a socialist's eyes, the people with too much money are to redistribute it to those who haven't. If some have to steal for that to happen, so be it.
If she can afford to put $100 of fuel in her car, a socialist will see her as rich and she deserves to have it stolen.

That is why rich people pay more tax than people who live on the state.

**toymachine** · 29th March 2007, 13:08

What a bollocks law.

One word. Escalation.

**SPman** · 29th March 2007, 13:26

I got no worry with people having guns - as long as they have proper full training in their use, misuse and the responsibilities that go with them - with regular refresher courses.

I think a well armed, well trained citizenry, is a desirable thing, especially with the way governments are going, these days.

Oops - isn't that one of the basics of the American constitution?

**sunhuntin** · 29th March 2007, 14:01

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Its called socialism. In a socialist's eyes, the people with too much money are to redistribute it to those who haven't. If some have to steal for that to happen, so be it.
If she can afford to put $100 of fuel in her car, a socialist will see her as rich and she deserves to have it stolen.

That is why rich people pay more tax than people who live on the state.

the petrol was put in there over a period of time, and siphoned each time. im pretty sure she would have been on a pension. and for her age group, she would have worked hard every day of her adult life.
why should it be "ok" for someone to steal from such a person? a person whos worked hard, paid her taxes, raised her kids into decent people.
why should someone with no intention of working hard 1 day in his life, not paying any taxes, and producing but not raising children, have more rights?

whats the point of working hard these days? my father works 7 days a week, and does countless hours in that week. he looks 10 years older than he is. i hate the fact he has to work. and for what? punks living off his taxes getting everything for nothing their entire lives? murderers and rapists living in relative luxury for 7 years, while their victims suffer mentally or rot in silence till the end of time?

its obvious that life is almost better on the dole, and you get more benefits for just being on a benefit. what will the govt do in 20 years when todays dole kids have dole kids of their own, and the majority of the population is not working [due to being raised on the dole, and having no sense of a work ethic?]
girl i used to flat with... her and her partner, and their baby. girls mother was on the dole... so was her father. both her and her partner are on the dole...and their daughter will be the same. the partner had a shot at a well paying job and turned it down.
i was the only one working... would get home to find the flat a pig sty, with dogs, shitty nappies, filthy plates and cups on the floor and in the sink. not to mention clothing everywhere.

**Dave Lobster** · 29th March 2007, 14:23

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

the petrol was put in there over a period of time, and siphoned each time. im pretty sure she would have been on a pension. and for her age group, she would have worked hard every day of her adult life.
why should it be "ok" for someone to steal from such a person? a person whos worked hard, paid her taxes, raised her kids into decent people.
why should someone with no intention of working hard 1 day in his life, not paying any taxes, and producing but not raising children, have more rights?

whats the point of working hard these days? my father works 7 days a week, and does countless hours in that week. he looks 10 years older than he is. i hate the fact he has to work. and for what? punks living off his taxes getting everything for nothing their entire lives? murderers and rapists living in relative luxury for 7 years, while their victims suffer mentally or rot in silence till the end of time?

its obvious that life is almost better on the dole, and you get more benefits for just being on a benefit. what will the govt do in 20 years when todays dole kids have dole kids of their own, and the majority of the population is not working [due to being raised on the dole, and having no sense of a work ethic?]

That's my point..

I'm not a fucking socialist.

**mstriumph** · 29th March 2007, 14:57

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

.........................

whats the point of working hard these days? my father works 7 days a week, and does countless hours in that week. he looks 10 years older than he is. i hate the fact he has to work. and for what? punks living off his taxes getting everything for nothing their entire lives? murderers and rapists living in relative luxury for 7 years, while their victims suffer mentally or rot in silence till the end of time?

its obvious that life is almost better on the dole, and you get more benefits for just being on a benefit. what will the govt do in 20 years when todays dole kids have dole kids of their own, and the majority of the population is not working [due to being raised on the dole, and having no sense of a work ethic?]
girl i used to flat with... her and her partner, and their baby. girls mother was on the dole... so was her father. both her and her partner are on the dole...and their daughter will be the same. the partner had a shot at a well paying job and turned it down.
i was the only one working... would get home to find the flat a pig sty, with dogs, shitty nappies, filthy plates and cups on the floor and in the sink. not to mention clothing everywhere.

Cheer up, Gal ......

i understand your frustration

but you can only choose for you and your dependants - nobody else

it's your Dad's choice to work as he does - mebbe he gets something from what he does besides money?

it's the majority electorate's choice to vote in a way which allows soft sentencing for crims and abuse of welfare [because that is what it is - to allow welfare to become a lifestyle instead of a safetynet]

and it was your choice to flat with a bunch of people who's lifestyle choice was so different from yours [from the sound of it, you came to that conclusion too - and moved on]

there's a whole HEAP of stuff wrong with life - yep ..................................
..... but while there're friends, roads, bikes and sunshine i guess i'll stick with it

oh - and mangoes - did i mention mangoes....?

**Dave Lobster** · 29th March 2007, 15:20

Originally Posted by mstriumph

It's the majority of the electorate's choice to vote in a way which allows soft sentencing for crims and abuse of welfare [because that is what it is - to allow welfare to become a lifestyle instead of a safety net]

Is there an option? Is there a political party that advocates the correct disciplining of criminals (apart from dangerous b'stards like speeders)? Is there a party that will stamp on welfare cheats? I'm pretty sure that if any such party were to exist, they'd be slammed as nazis by the media, and the other (liberal) parties.

**jrandom** · 29th March 2007, 15:58

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Is there a party that will stamp on welfare cheats?

I posit for you the hypothesis that zero-tolerance policing of welfare 'cheating' would cost more than allowing it to continue at its current level, and I would suggest that that is the reason that such a policy has never been seriously mooted.

**Ixion** · 29th March 2007, 16:07

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Its called socialism. In a socialist's eyes, the people with too much money are to redistribute it to those who haven't. ..

No it's not. And no they aren't

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

That's my point..

I'm not a fucking socialist.

I am. Well, not a fucking one as often as I'd like, but that's another matter.

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Is there an option? Is there a political party that advocates the correct disciplining of criminals (apart from dangerous b'stards like speeders)? Is there a party that will stamp on welfare cheats?..

Yep. Vote Communist. Welfare is for workers, not shirkers. And those who aren't willing to make what contribution they can to society have no right to expect to remain part of it.

**Ixion** · 29th March 2007, 16:10

Originally Posted by Fish

I posit for you the hypothesis that zero-tolerance policing of welfare 'cheating' would cost more than allowing it to continue at its current level, and I would suggest that that is the reason that such a policy has never been seriously mooted.

Yes it has. By the first labour government (who were Socialists unlike the current lot, butr were not in any way liberal), for one. There is noone who hates the bludger more than the worker. It is the liberal intelligentsia who oppose the idea that everyone, no exceptions, must contribute to society to the extent of his abilities. Which is one reaso n why the said liberal intelligentsia are amongst the first targets for "reeducation" come the revolution.

**mstriumph** · 29th March 2007, 16:35

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Is there an option? Is there a political party that advocates the correct disciplining of criminals (apart from dangerous b'stards like speeders)? Is there a party that will stamp on welfare cheats? .................

this is where the hard work comes in ........

have you spoken to your local candidates, members? have you communicated to them your disquiet with the way that things currently are? have you asked them what their/their party's stance is on the things that you feel are wrong with the current system?

the unfortunate truth is that people get the government they deserve ....