Texans get it right

[Skyryder]

That's my point..

I'm not a fucking socialist.

I have rapidly come to the conclusion in your world everybody is fucking something except you.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Vote Communist?

Why, yes, of course you may appropriate and redistribute the profits of my new tech startup...

... from my cold, dead hands.

Well, yes, that DOES often go with the territory.

[jrandom]

There is noone who hates the bludger more than the worker.

As a matter of principle, it is unarguable that zero tolerance for welfare abuse is obligatory.

As a matter of economic pragmatism, however, I suspect that a welfare state must always strike a medium of compromise, as we have here and now, that falls short of the ideal.

[jrandom]

Well, yes, that DOES often go with the territory.

I know, and I have made peace with that fact.

I have also started buying guns.

Some edited non-silly addition is in order here, I think...

You see, one difference between the agrico-industrial society of Marx's time, and the revolutions of technology since, is that significant profit can be derived without exploitation of workers.

I give you, for example, my licencing of software that I shall develop. The economics of its potential profitability are nonlinear, and not dependent upon labour other than my own and that of my investment partners. Marx's model breaks when applied to my boundary conditions.

[mstriumph]

I posit for you the hypothesis that zero-tolerance policing of welfare 'cheating' would cost more than allowing it to continue at its current level, and I would suggest that that is the reason that such a policy has never been seriously mooted.

you are probably right - and that's just one of the things that is rotton with the current system ........... and it's ALL the fault of those framing the legislation concerned

legislation which cannot be audited/ policed is SLOPPY legislation ...... and those that set such legislation in place deserve our wrath because it's OUR money they are wasting, not 'government' money 'cause governments don't HAVE money except in trust for 'we, the people'.

welfare is meant to be a safety-net
any government which puts in place legislation that permits it to become a lifestyle option should be ..... hell, i don't know, put to the sword or torn apart by red-hot pinchers or sumthin ............

if they won't do what you want, at least chuck the bastards out

but citizens who take advantage of their sloppiness can't really be said to be 'cheating' as such, can they?

[mstriumph]

As a matter of principle, it is unarguable that zero tolerance for welfare abuse is obligatory.

As a matter of economic pragmatism, however, I suspect that a welfare state must always strike a medium of compromise, as we have here and now, that falls short of the ideal.

granted

but not, dear god please, NOT as far short as the system currently does

[Mr Merde]

....

the unfortunate truth is that people get the government they deserve ....

This is so true.

WHat was the turnout at the last general election?

What about the last local body elections?

Most people are apathetic and deserve everything they get.

This is why those minority groups seem to get everything they demand. They are vocal enough for the powers that be to take notice of. The silent majority are just that, silent. Because they very rarely show discent to anything their government does, their government gets used to riding roughshod over them and discounting the wishes of the majority. Except at election time where once again they dust of all the old platitudes, make the same old speeches and make the same promises, all in aid of being re elected so that they can be the masters of our existence rather than the servants they were elected to be.

Since being back in NZ I have noticed that the "average" kiwi is extremely apathetic. They talk the talk but dont have the bottle or bollocks to back it up.

We all know we are being shafted by a bunch of self serving sychophantic arseholes but we cant really be bothered trying to change it.

Case in point, this anti smacking bill. Proposed by a person who has never been elected and doesnt have an electorate to answer to. Talk in the street and on this board shows massive disgust but very few people getting off their arses to do fuck all abvout it.

Criminals get sentences that are so minimal that most kiwis think of the justice system as a joke, wat happens? Sweet fuck all. The powers know thgat we will just go nalong with them.

If something does stir the silent majority, and occasionally this does happen, our masters find some trivial piece of nonsense and boost it out of all proportion, thereby difusing the emotions of "the majority"

I could rant for a long while so I will cut short here in case I offend the sensibilities of this group. Its all about standing up, discovering the backbone you were born with, and exercising your right to express your views. The "government" doesnt want you to do this as they may actually have to listen and work for your benifit.

Rant over.

MR

[Street Gerbil]

Yep. Vote Communist. Welfare is for workers, not shirkers. And those who aren't willing to make what contribution they can to society have no right to expect to remain part of it.

I am sorry but your Political Economics is a bit rusty.
What you describe is a textbook socialism. A communism, per Marx, is when one contributes to the society as much as he can and gets as much as he needs.

[mstriumph]

Shoot to wound?

Shoot to frighten?

Shoot to intimidate?

Takes a lot of training to be able to do this.

In the heat of the moment and with the fear of iminent harm to oneself or loved ones I defy anyone who says they wouldnt resort to violence of some sort. The last such person was nailed to two bits of wood 2000 years ago acording to the christians.

they did that to GANDHI?????

[Mr Merde]

they did that to GANDHI?????

I stand corrected.

From reading, I gather Ghandi wasnt the perfect saint that history has painted him to be. His personal life wasnt exeplery.

Disregarding this he is one of the best of us to emerge for a long time.

[mstriumph]

i rather liked Fish's 'cold, dead hands' comment ............

i have come to terms with the fact that, irrespective of whatever the authorities 'should' do, when it comes to defending me and mine they'll be out at my place 3 hours after they've been called to an emergency and 2.75 hours after the malfactors have departed triumphantly bearing off the silver and [hopefully] the cat .............

so, unfair, unjust and downright IRRITATING as it may be, i will just have to look out for myself, won't i?

.......... and use that 2.75 hours to bury the bodies

[SPman]

Couldn't resist this link
http://www.chuckhawks.com/motorcycle_firearms.htm
remember kiddies
If you decide to fire, FIRE AT THE DRIVER, NOT THE CAR!

[scumdog]

I've read all the above and they are all very valid comments re shooting offender and the threat to society that sort of freedom entails etc etc


BUT I'll still shoot any bastard that threatens me, my family, my property (down to my Glen Campbell CD's).

[idb]

I've read all the above and they are all very valid comments re shooting offender and the threat to society that sort of freedom entails etc etc


BUT I'll still shoot any bastard that threatens me, my family, my property (down to my Glen Campbell CD's).

Glen Campbell's out on CD now????!!!!

[scumdog]

Glen Campbell's out on CD now????!!!!

Yup, the supply of 8-track tapes has dried up - and he ain't on wax cylinders neither!!