Why am is this not suprising.

[Grahameeboy]

How many times, would you have to get a beating or your house robbed before you felt it was time to retaliate. Now listen carefully THE PEOPLE WHO DO THESE CRIMES ARE NOT VICTIMS. .

Dover needs the bash anyway makes him feel loved.

I was not referring to burglars and the like as victims....I was relating to Mom's post.

To be honest, I am not a retaliating kinda of person. If I got beaten up I would rather get better and carry on with my life. If I got robbed, I am Insured and at end of day they are just material things....okay being a Londoner I will voice my opinions and when it comes to my Daughter I will bash heads (metaphorically speaking) to get what she needs but that is it

[Grahameeboy]

What has happened to the child is severly distressing, however what is going to happen to him once child youth and family services enter into his life is even more distressing!

Viva la prison justice!

Agree, better prison than the others, they can get help in prison

[RT527]

.....justice does not remove the pain.......

No but Justice should be seen to remove and help the Cause of the Pain

[RT527]

Sickens me too.....but should we not find out how or why to perhaps try and understand and maybe stop some other child being violated.

By giving up on helping are we not giving up on helping those who are at risk?

Ok I can only think of a couple of things here to reply to this....

Right and wrong

Cause and effect.

What is your understanding of Right and wrong....

What caused it and what is the effect?

[Grahameeboy]

No but Justice should be seen to remove and help the Cause of the Pain

From Society's point of view, I agree.

[Grahameeboy]

Ok I can only think of a couple of things here to reply to this....

Right and wrong

Cause and effect.

What is your understanding of Right and wrong....

What caused it and what is the effect?

I understand what is right and what is wrong.

I understand cause and effect.

I just see things differently and respect how you see things.

I guess it is a case of 'Doing the right thing' or 'Doing things the right way'.....

[Patrick]

Sickens me too.....but should we not find out how or why to perhaps try and understand and maybe stop some other child being violated.

I know what you are saying but, for this guy, 1 x bullet = problem solved/no more victims..

[Ixion]

Yup. Nice and simple. That's my philosophy too. You people make it too complicated. Justice, revenge, understand, cure, retaliation. All big complicated concepts. Too hard to deal with, takes too long.

Mine is a much simpler world, cos I'm a very simple person. A person only has a right to exist in society if they make, have made or will make a contribution to society. Overall, does this person do so? If not, remove him. Nothing to do with any of that complicated emotional stuff. Just simple logic. You could probably program a computer to do it. Cost of maintainingone societal unit = x. Accumulated contribution value of unit, plus net current value of expected future contribution = y. If x > y, remove unit.

[Grahameeboy]

Yup. Nice and simple. That's my philosophy too. You people make it too complicated. Justice, revenge, understand, cure, retaliation. All big complicated concepts. Too hard to deal with, takes too long.

Mine is a much simpler world, cos I'm a very simple person. A person only has a right to exist in society if they make, have made or will make a contribution to society. Overall, does this person do so? If not, remove him. Nothing to do with any of that complicated emotional stuff. Just simple logic. You could probably program a computer to do it. Cost of maintainingone societal unit = x. Accumulated contribution value of unit, plus net current value of expected future contribution = y. If x > y, remove unit.

If only life was that simple.

[Ixion]

It is, if you make it simple.Besides, the question was not about life, but about society, and law. They are much simpler than human life.

[doc]

I will voice my opinions

Cmon your starting to sound like the crickets. I will go away now.its like banging your head again sa wall, feels better when you stop .

[KATWYN]

A person only has a right to exist in society if they make, have made or will make a contribution to society. .

A wee bit off topic here *apologies* I agree with a lot of your comments ixion, what do you define as making a 'contribution' to society?

[BAD DAD]

Whether this guy was criminal or sick makes no differance to his victim(s), and one way or the other our society is far too inaffective to deal with him effectively. He needs to meet his maker asap where I'm sure there will be no mucking about with health system protocols, justice system fiascoes or any other p.c. stalling tactics.

[Ixion]

A wee bit off topic here *apologies* I agree with a lot of your comments ixion, what do you define as making a 'contribution' to society?

I'm pretty eclectic in my own conceptualisation.

Helping produce widgets, waitressing, writing poetry, playing in a band, bringing up children,delivering letters, manning a helpdesk, bringing up grandchildren, making an aged parent's life happier, digging a garden, fixing hurt seabirds, driving a taxi or a truck, building houses, catching criminals, nursing sick people, dishing out speeding tickets.

Anything that doesn't hurt people needlessly and helps make the wheels go round. Anything that , if noone anywhere were doing it, someone would say "that's a pity". But more inmportantly, DOING WHAT YOU CAN.

And remember, contribution past present or future. And I think that a society as rich as ours (and we are a very rich society) can easily afford to support the few poor souls born damaged , or damaged early in life.