Tis a sad world when herbal medicine is illegal

[Ixion]

Actually , the original argument was about *medicinal* use of cannabis. Not recreational use, or its sociological aspects.

I know of no therapeutic use for tobacco (which I do not use). I do know of some (mainly prophylactic) medicinal use for alcohol , which I do use.

I know of a number of theraputic uses for cannabis (which I do not use).

I am puzzled why a product that has indisputed therapeutic use, and very limited damage even when abused, is illegal for therapeutic purposes, while other products which either have no therapeutic purpose at all (tobacco), or cause major damage when abused (ethanol) are legal.

It would be perfectly possible to leave cannabis banned for reacreational use, and its supply subject to licensing , just as other therapeutics likely to be abused are. Supply on prescription. Probably as a tincture.

Ms Beemer, would you be as opposed to someone using cannabis genuinely for therapeutic purposes?

(BTW, One reason why I use neither tobacco nor cannabis is that on the occasions - many years ago- when I tried them, both had absolutely no effect whatsoever on me. By my observation and that of others. I suppose, just as some people can drink prodigiously without effect , whilst others are tiddley on half a glass of wine)

[Beemer]

Ms Beemer, would you be as opposed to someone using cannabis genuinely for therapeutic purposes?

You will be surprised to learn that I don't have a problem with the medicinal use of drugs that ease pain, etc. and I am all for research continuing into ways to harness the therapeutic benefits of cannabis without it getting the person high.

Onearmedbandit - we are all entitled to our opinions and I was merely expressing mine. You say you wouldn't be able to change my opinion and I doubt very much if I could change yours. Hopefully it will be possible for us both to stand by our opinions without the ruckus started in other threads when my personal views differed from others. I've got the guts to stand up and say what I believe and you are right, nothing you or anyone else can say will make me change my views on illegal drugs.

[onearmedbandit]

I was never aiming to get into a fight with you over it, I respect others opinions. However, like you, I will make a stand for what I believe in. One thing I try not to do though is make sweeping generalisations, as we are all different, from different backgrounds, having different perspectives and experiences. We could get into a healthy discussion regarding why marijuana is illegal in the first place though! DuPont anyone?

[Krusti]

As a small aside...just recieved a large form to fill out for an appointment with a series of pain specialists.

Question.

Do you take ANY other kinds of drugs? (Prescribed or otherwise)

Answer.

Details / will discuss later _______________________________

I suspect not a good idea to list any others here. But I suspect that there are quite a few folks who will discuss this later.

[scumdog]

Hmmm, a pity that the 'herbal medecine' aspect of the weed didn't cut in when the guy in the Hutt Valley was stabbed to death - he might have survived if it had...

And anyway, I was lead to believe all pot heads were non agro peaceful type kept calm by it's use, how come this dude got snuffed by users of it wanting more of the aforementioned weed???

[onearmedbandit]

Yup, you've convinced me SD. Actually I knew all us pot smoking deviates were murderers, just waiting for the right opportunity. I just didn't want to admit it on a public forum.

Do you realise people have also been killed because someone wanted their motorcycle, so they got shot, stabbed, or beaten up. Or someone wanted someone else's girl, so they killed the boyfriend.

[Ixion]

With respect Mr Scumdog, I don't think your argument is a sound one. It could equally well be argued that the murder is a good reason for legalisation of cannabis. If cannabis were legal there would be no more reason for anyone to rob, let alone murder, to secure it, than there woud be to secure a packet of cigarettes. Though men have been murdered for a packet of cigarettes, before now.

The nature of cannabis, legal or illegal, did not have any bearing on this crime.

What this crime does do, is highlight the illogicallity of treating burglary as a non-crime. Anyone still care to maintain that burglary doesn't deserve police attention because "it's only property crime" and "no-one dies as a result" (unlike speeding drivers doing 111kph , who, as everyone knows, always kill someone)