Kapiti Observer re:"Killer Highway"

**Blakamin** · 26th August 2004, 19:50

"a wire rope barrier required 1.5 metres space, in addition to the 2 3.5 metre traffic lanes. the same space is required for a solid concrete barrier, but Transit preferred the wire rope version because it could be dropped on the ground to allow traffic, including emergency vehicles, between lanes, was easier to maintain and visually more appealing."

WTF?...kill bike riders for a view???

**Blakamin** · 26th August 2004, 19:54

"Even though speed may not of been a factor in Friday's accident, reducing the speed limit is another measure which can be taken to improve safety on this difficlut section of highway by reducing the number and severity of crashes"

**riffer** · 26th August 2004, 20:24

Originally Posted by Blakamin

"Even though speed may not of been a factor in Friday's accident, reducing the speed limit is another measure which can be taken to improve safety on this difficlut section of highway by reducing the number and severity of crashes"

And if you reduced traffic flow to nothing, there would be no crashes.

Lets be honest,

The don't give a shit about motorcyclists, they never will. The best thing we can do is ride as safely as possible whenever we are on that road and hope that we never get some clown cross the centreline in our path.

**mangell6** · 26th August 2004, 21:12

Originally Posted by Blakamin

". . . . . on this difficult section of highway . . . . . "

That is not a difficult piece of highway, I suggest that they put a big wall up to stop people looking at the ocean.

**Blakamin** · 26th August 2004, 21:52

Originally Posted by mangell6

That is not a difficult piece of highway, I suggest that they put a big wall up to stop people looking at the ocean.

ZACKLEY

**FROSTY:Me** · 26th August 2004, 22:13

thats exactly wot I said in the other threead

**Mongoose** · 26th August 2004, 22:13

Originally Posted by mangell6

That is not a difficult piece of highway, I suggest that they put a big wall up to stop people looking at the ocean.

Glad it was not just us SI folk, who are usd to plenty of narrow roads, that think this is not a "dangerous" or "killer" road. The last time I was on it, what made it dangerous was all the effing cars on it.
Make it into a biker only road I say!

**Blakamin** · 26th August 2004, 22:17

was all quotes from the paper, frosty!... there was more but i cant type that well

**riffer** · 26th August 2004, 22:39

Originally Posted by Mongoose

Glad it was not just us SI folk, who are usd to plenty of narrow roads, that think this is not a "dangerous" or "killer" road. The last time I was on it, what made it dangerous was all the effing cars on it.
Make it into a biker only road I say!

NO!!!

Then all the crazy cagers will all try and drive on Paekakariki Hill Road.

and ruin it for us all...

**Paul in NZ** · 27th August 2004, 07:51

Local fire chief also said something along the lines of "anyone that can't drive that stretch of road at 100kph should not be driving" and commented that barriers would be a menace for they trying to get to an accident and stop traffic being diverted around one...

Sounds like a sensible chap....

**vifferman** · 27th August 2004, 08:33

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Local fire chief also said something along the lines of "anyone that can't drive that stretch of road at 100kph should not be driving" and commented that barriers would be a menace for they trying to get to an accident and stop traffic being diverted around one...

Sounds like a sensible chap....

Yup. I'm getting mighty tired of all this "killer road" hype from the media. There are no killer roads! If a road is more challenging, you give it more attention and/or drive more slowly.
There have been "killer roads" overseas that have been straightened and 'improved' with no reduction in fatalities. Why? Because people took less care, and drove faster.

FFS - it's not rocket science. Driving/riding on the open road requires care and concentration. The last thing we need to do is make the roads wider and straighter and more boring so there's so little stimulation that people just nod off. It's like that in Victoria, that magical little place where everyone drives at 90km/h so they don't inadvertantly stray 1 km/h over the speed limit and get executed by the traffic nazis, and the roads are straight and boring, and the biggest danger now is nodding off from lack of any mental stimulus. Yet we emulate everything the traffic fascists over there dream up to make driving around NZ more safe and boring.

**SPman** · 27th August 2004, 21:39

Because half the pricks come from Victoria?

Killer Roads?

Bullshit!

**JohnBoy** · 27th August 2004, 22:29

I cant believe what going on down there?? i am originally from Raumati South and i am sick and tired about hearing of silly idiots crashing into each other!
my point is why lower the speed limit? how many times can you remeber (not counting passes early morn

) that you have gone the length of the road at anything above 70 - 80 KmH?? lowering the speed limit will do nothing. its about time transit got off there padded seats and built us a highway worthy of the amount of tax we pay!!! either that or make p'hill for bikes only. either way i would bring the bike down more often.