To use a clutch?

[Quartermile]

K, thanks of the confimation

[R1madness]

Never had to rebuild a gearbox in my life.

Mate. Thats great news but here is the problem that i get presented with quite often.

Customer: Hi my GSXR1000 is jumping out of 2nd gear.
Me: How many km's on it?
Cust: 37000 or so.
Me: Do lots o wheelstands or clutchless gear changes?
Cust: Yea clutches are for pussys.
Me: Ok take a seat, The estimate for repairs is as follows, $1200.
Cust: Eh fuck off its only 2nd gear.
Me: No its not, its 2nd gear, the gear it locks into, the shift fork, and a whole heap o labour. While i am in there i might as well replace 3rd as well cause its going to crap out next.
Cust. Fuck off dickhead i read on the net its fine to do clutchless changes.
Me: Oh have a nice day then.

3 weeks later,
For sale GSXR1000 jumps out o second gear. offers.


Moral of the story.
Its not the first 15000k or the second 15000k that you begin to notice the damage. Its in the 3rd 15000k.
For all you really skilled riders out there that have wrecked a lot of XL125 gearboxes trying to perfect your technique please be fair to the new riders by telling them the whole truth.

[onearmedbandit]

Appreciate that input Ian, and I`ll keep it in mind. But correct me if I`m wrong, if I take the load off the gearbox, am I doing any harm to the `box? Also, did you watch my video in this thread? Tell me if my technique is wrong.

[DMNTD:Me]

I blew 4th gear in my '06 ZX10 (18,000kms)....Kawasaki/bike shop claimed it was due to clutchless shifting which surprised me no end after being told that it was fine to do so as long as I wasn't "crunching" the gears...ie not "unloading" the box before nailing.

Intriguing thread,seems the debate is live and well...unlike my old gearbox

[R1madness]

onearmbandit, your technique is fine and i completely understand your point of view as you have a unique situation. The prob is that even unloading the box you will have to "force" the gear dog to locate in the slot as the gears are rotating at the wrong speeds in relation to each other and the shafts. Its that forcing that rounds off the edges of the dogs and slots and wears/bends the shift fork.
once it starts jumping out of gear you can fix it by undercutting the gears dogs and slots but it makes it harder to shift.
The better the technique the longer the bike lasts.

[skidMark]

I'm amased that it can be done without skrewing your grearbox, why have cluches then oh I want to try it, but i'm afraid it will damage my old bike

why have clutchs um....to take off the line?

Oh yea.

I get the impression your a bit of a mess........

hi pot, my names kettle.