Should 4x4's be taxed higher?

[Motu]

If you have a legitimate use, tow something, live up shit street, whatever, and they are the most appropriate vehicle - I'm glad it's you paying for the fuel - party on.

Defiantly the most appropriate vehicle for me,and for most other people who drive them too I expect.I put 100,000km on my Pajero in 2 1/2 years,mostly single occupant,mostly open road.....and compared to the NX Coupe I also have,they cost about the same to run.I have carried a shit load of stuff,including people...some of it was filthy,I have towed trailers loaded with various things,including motorcycles....some of them were filthy,it has also towed caravans and cars.I'm really grateful to the Pajero for putting in such hard work for me over a difficult period of my life,I really don't know what I would of done without it.It can go into retirement now,instead of 1,000km weeks it will be lucky to do 10km in a week now

I think people who can afford to buy bikes worth nearly $20,000 should be audited by the Inland Revenue weekly....

[gamgee]

As 4x4 owner,I feel that the prices are high enoughwhen paying on gross weight ........as I live in country its a suitable cage for me and having a St Bernard in a toymota just doesn't work

ever thought of a station wagon??

[Grahameeboy]

So do you include People Carriers too?

[Grahameeboy]

Do they wear roads out quicker. There are already new holes appearing in Esdmond Road.................maybe they should make better roads?

Anyway this is still a 3rd world country so what's wrong with 4X4's......

[Timber020]

I wouldnt tax 4wd's as a rule, I would be more inclined to tax vehicles at different weight limits. First 1000kgs and below, 1000 to 1500kgs, 1500 to 2000kgs etc etc. Id hate to think what my 4wd would cost tax wise.

They had a tax system in holland based on weight years back, a mate of mine had a VW and removed EVERYTHING when taking the car in and running on fumes.

[dogsnbikes]

ever thought of a station wagon??

Had station wagon but too small for dog and and crap traction on dirt tracks

[Motu]

I've got a van,and I think it does a better job of hauling loads than the Pajero,it's a real little workhorse....but it's not comfortable,and can get stuck on a flat lawn.Plus it's only a 2 seater.We've had stationwagons as family vehicles and they are great,no problem there.I really liked my Escort van,it was surprising what could fit in it,and it was fun to drive,but again only a 2 seater.The Pajero offers the comfort and versatility no other vehicle can.....I'll hang onto it a little longer.

[Ixion]

I will, indeed , take an entirely reverse position.

If you have a bike, what is the point of owning a "standard car" ? You can't get much more into it than the bike (especially with a side car). Not worth it. Whereas a 4x4 DOES give you options that the bike does not. Towing, lugging heeavy dirty stuff, carting 6 passengers etc. So it is worth owning a 4x4.

So for bikers , the logical combo is a bike plus a 4x4.

If you DON'T have a bike then of course you are an inferior species and your opinion does not count.

So all that is required is to make a class 6 licence a requirement for driving a 4x4. No problem for bikers, everybody else out. Sorted.

[slopster]

And as for fuel economy I used to have a 2.8L diesel bighorn that did over 1000km on 75L of diesel. Thats better economy then my gsxr gets!

[Jantar]

you must spread some reputation around before giving it to Ixion again

[Big Dave]

I think people who can afford to buy bikes worth nearly $20,000 should be audited by the Inland Revenue weekly....

I can afford bikes worth a lot more than that. Pay my GST bi-monthly too

[Big Dave]

So for bikers , the logical combo is a bike plus a 4x4.

Sorted.

No fuckin' way. Big rolling tankers of things - I get sea sick in 'em. It has to be pissing down or no other option before I'll get in one.

A bike and another bike thanks.

[Ixion]

Well, I'm not saying a biker HAS to have a 4x4. But if you *do* want another vehicle beside the bike(s) , then a 4x4 makes far more sense than a car.

And only bikers can show a valid justification for a 4x4 , cos they are already doing their bit toward transportation efficiency.

[Delerium]

Food for thought for both sides of the fence here. I hate the bloody things in town. cant see around/through, studies have proven that the majority of owners are agressive males in their 30s (ie people that cant drive for shit and give you the finger after cutting you off) on the open road they dont handle as well as a car and never will, their design inherintly compromises their on road handling. yet uneducated poor quality nz drivers still drive them like they stole them and when they realise they dont pull as well as a car do dangerous things like overtaking on blind corners. By far the dangerous idiotic stuff I see on the road is by these vehicles.

However in saying that, I am heading into places like the kaimanwas, more and more doing deer hunting etc. Some places that I want to visit in the future require 4x4 access unless you want to walk another 5 or 6 hours. Looking at my options, I wanted a 4x4 station wagon, diesel and manual. guess what. they dont exist. next step is something like a subaru, which MAY be able to handle a little mud, things like riverbeds will shake it to pieces. Next option is a hilux or a navara. nope too expensive, they hold their value to well. Holden mazda or mitsi, no thanks, shite and ill end up walking the extra 5 or 6 hours anyway. So the only thing that I can afford that fills the requirements is something like an iszuzu mu. Bugger.

I have done a 4wd through NZDF, and I REALLY wouldnt want a petrol 4wd. after experiancing the abuse that is needed to get a vehicle in certain places, things like a subaru or even 4wd caldina which I was looking at would just destroy them. plus subarus etc dont come in diesel which is one of my requirements.

[Big Dave]

Well, I'm not saying a biker HAS to have a 4x4. But if you *do* want another vehicle beside the bike(s) , then a 4x4 makes far more sense than a car.

And only bikers can show a valid justification for a 4x4 , cos they are already doing their bit toward transportation efficiency.

Now yer talkin' - What about for every motorcycle you own you get a rebate.

It will be like child support in Oz - bang out enough and the child support adds up to a working wage.

We could do it with bikes.