Should 4x4's be taxed higher?

[kro]

The thing that gets me is car manufacturers who recall whole shitloads of cars because of a "fault" that "might" cause an issue. Why are they not recalling the 4WD's because of this "rollover" issue, and the crash tests blah blah.

To do this would be akin to a bike manufacturer recalling every 2 wheeled bike ever they made because they did some tests, and discovered that the bike "could fall over in certain circumstances".

[Motu]

What rock have you been under? There was a huge shit fight with Ford and Firestone about the Explorer.Modern SUV's don't have a chassis and have to pass a crash test.That's a bit stupid,as one of the benifits of a truck is the flexability of the ladder chassis.Just depends on where you want to draw the line between car/truck.Personaly I prefer my truck to be a truck.

[Finn]

If anything, pedestrians, motorcyclists and little car drivers should be taxed higher. They make an awful mess of my bumper, especially in the summer when the heat cooks brains and guts into the radiator. "Darling, do you smell chicken?"

[Kickaha]

Why are they not recalling the 4WD's because of this "rollover" issue

The "rollover" issue is mostly a "driver issue"

What rock have you been under? There was a huge shit fight with Ford and Firestone about the Explorer.

yeah that was very interesting about what was causing the problems and how long they had been going on for before Ford thought it was worth doing anything about

[kro]

What rock have you been under? There was a huge shit fight with Ford and Firestone about the Explorer.Modern SUV's don't have a chassis and have to pass a crash test.That's a bit stupid,as one of the benifits of a truck is the flexability of the ladder chassis.Just depends on where you want to draw the line between car/truck.Personaly I prefer my truck to be a truck.

Not being a walking motor vehicle library, it's hard to pull references like this from my posterior. My post was making a point about the "up in arms" kind of hysteria that is so typical these days.
if the vehicle isn't safe, it should not be on the road, but the definition of safe is like the warrant of fitness system, it's one persons opinion vs another.

[Ixion]

I too think that a 4x4 needs a chassis.

If you are going to take it off road a chassis is pretty essential. Or tow anything heavy.

Which is why older (< 1950) cars were actually as good offroad as a lot of SUVs. They had a chassis, and big tyres. (And running boards - all four wheelers need running boards. And crankhandles. )

The lack of a chassis tells me that manufacturers don't expect their SUVs to go offroad. So why include the 4WD ?

[JimO]

i have 2 a 05 hilux and a 96 prado just got back from packing up our camp with 6 people 1 dog 1 17 ft boat 1 18ft 6 caravan several tents, wind breaks etc a 3 hr drive completed in comfort and safty only hold up were 2 gits in cars doing 80 ks if you dont like them dont get one, but if you want to ban them its a small step to banning bikes because they are also dangerous, verry fuel innefecient compared to a small car that can carry 5 people as opposed to 2 on a litre bike and i bet more people are killed or injured on bikes in NZ than are in 4x4s

[The Pastor]

You are dicks, Who wants more tax? Go have sex with your sister you freek of nature, What a werido, I hope you get a vist from the tax man.

Lets brake it down

Income tax 20-40% depending how much you "earn"
Gst 12.5%
Petrol tax (no idea but i think its 40% of pump price?)
RUC
Super 5%
Acc leveys
rates and local taxes


And theres way more that Ive forgotten.

ITS TOO MUCH. CUT GOVERNTMENT SPENDING NOW.

SIF the GMENT will do Anything for anyone excpet gay maoris.

My boss was on about how he gets around $200 for every 600 he earns.


Last edited by renegade master : Today at 22:59. Reason: Btw, I hate suv's in town (love 4x4's not so much in town though) but tax is NOT the answer

[dickytoo]

If anything, pedestrians, motorcyclists and little car drivers should be taxed higher. They make an awful mess of my bumper, especially in the summer when the heat cooks brains and guts into the radiator. "Darling, do you smell chicken?"

I shouldn't say this but i agree with finn!