A Funny Thing Happened Last Weekend, or, Please Don't Ever Shoot Me in the Head

[Ascott]

I don't know why you would be surprised by this there are a bunch of cunts in wellington with this condition, and they are running the country!

[jrandom]

Not super accurate 1" groups at 100 yards.

Stop it already with the false modesty, old chap. I've never met anybody who can shoot better than that without a benchrest, regardless of the rifle's intrinsic capabilities. For that matter, I've never met a commercial centerfire rifle in decent condition that couldn't group 1" at 100 yards from a rest, either.

If you can reliably manage to put shots within < 2" at 100 yards off the shoulder when dropping live game, you're as good as you'll ever need to be.

Most people who witter on about sub-MOA groupings have never made a 600-yard shot in their life.

(Which is why I try not to witter on about sub-MOA groupings...)

[Ixion]

The really interesting point though is that with the med.obl. frunctioning, and the rest of the brain dead or missing, you can still get an erection.

(actually, you can get an erection after you're totally dead. Priorities, see )

[mstriumph]

Some years back a mate of mine who has a large collection of military guns set up his Vickers machine gun on a farm of a friend of his and culled a hillside of goats.
Highly illegal to fire those guns, but by fuck it was a wicked sight.
Knocked dozens over in seconds and was quite a messy scene as the bullets went everywhere into them.
He went thru hundreds of 303 rounds in no time.

wat's the point in killing it if you can't eat it?

[Mr Merde]

Stop it already with the false modesty, old chap. I've never met anybody who can shoot better than that without a benchrest, regardless of the rifle's intrinsic capabilities. For that matter, I've never met a commercial centerfire rifle in decent condition that couldn't group 1" at 100 yards from a rest, either.

If you can reliably manage to put shots within < 2" at 100 yards off the shoulder when dropping live game, you're as good as you'll ever need to be.

Most people who witter on about sub-MOA groupings have never made a 600-yard shot in their life.

(Which is why I try not to witter on about sub-MOA groupings...)

I like the "old chap" bit. I sighted the rifle in off a bench and sandbagged. I needed to know where it was shooting as I had just made up 150 rounds with new components. AR2207 powder, Winchester primers and Speer 52gn HP projectiles. I had weighed each case and they were within .5 gn of each other after sizing, triming and chamfering the necks. The projectiles were all seated with a micrometer die.

I cant shoot MOA yet !!

Sometime this year I will begin my training at long range accuracy. This will be with a 1874 Remington Rolling Block action re barreled with a Badger 34" full octagonal. Long range peep sights and using black powder.

I have a competition or two in my ambitions for which I will have to learn to shoot MOA with these old rifles. They are capable of doing this off shooting sticks. The competitions are at distances of up to 1200 yards and to get any where you have to be able to put your rounds in a 10" group at this distance.

The trajectory of these rounds is very similar to a rainbow. The 520 gn projectile will have a maximum velocity of about 1500 fps and about 900 fps when it reaches the target. A loss of about 600fps

Compare this with say a .308 which leaves the barrel at 2800 fps abd by 1000 yards will have dropped to 500-600 fps.

The balistics of modern ammunition makes it a lot harder to shoot over great distances.

Yes for hunting a hand held 2" group would be wonderful but I am happy with being able to place a round in an area on the animal that I would be assured of a clean kill.

I think we are both reading off the same page.


Mr

[jrandom]

I cant shoot MOA yet !! ... Sometime this year I will begin my training at long range accuracy.

A few months ago, I shot a 4-round 1" group at 100 meters off the shoulder with a friend's .270. Of course, immediately thereafter I got nervous and my trigger control and breathing went all hinky. I haven't bothered trying to repeat the performance.

My next shooting goal is to be able to reliably put 9mm into the black every time at 25 meters, slow fire, left hand only, right hand only and isosceles stances. I won't have a prayer of getting there until I get my 'B' endorsement and can start dry-firing regularly, though. Just keeping the sights on paper with my left hand is difficult enough right now.

Any ideas about exercises I could do to improve grip stability?

Badger 34" full octagonal...

Well, if you run out of ammo, you could certainly bludgeon someone to death with that barrel.

[Hitcher]

Any ideas about exercises I could do to improve grip stability?

Use that well-proven stabilising technique once used by top darts players, until the practice was banned by the professional sport's governing body. Lager. Pints of it.

The counterbalancing effect of the ensuing paunch possibly assists as well.

[scumdog]

wat's the point in killing it if you can't eat it?

Probably because Mr Farmer did not want them eating grass his sheep could have eaten and just wanted rid of them, they were just pests.

Sort of the same attitude you have to a swarm of flies.

[Mr Merde]

A few months ago, I shot a 4-round 1" group at 100 meters off the shoulder with a friend's .270. Of course, immediately thereafter I got nervous and my trigger control and breathing went all hinky. I haven't bothered trying to repeat the performance.

My next shooting goal is to be able to reliably put 9mm into the black every time at 25 meters, slow fire, left hand only, right hand only and isosceles stances. I won't have a prayer of getting there until I get my 'B' endorsement and can start dry-firing regularly, though. Just keeping the sights on paper with my left hand is difficult enough right now.

Any ideas about exercises I could do to improve grip stability?



Well, if you run out of ammo, you could certainly bludgeon someone to death with that barrel.

Fish my old mate, I never realised that you were into the sport of pistol shooting.

9mm into the black. I am guessing you mean a standard target where the black is the 8,9,10 and centre circle. Should be no problem with training.

Few years back now I shot at my range with .357 revolver and I was pissed off if at 25meters there were any in the 8 ring. Not the best in my club. The good ones put them all on the 10 or X.

You dont need grip strenghtening exercises. Its all about control not strength.the pistol is held by just two fingers. Index finger is for the trigger, no strenght needed there. The pinkie finger is for control of recoil. The two fingers between them are used to hold the grip and if they are straining them you are using too much pressure and will get tired (and miss).

The secret to pistol shooting is muscle memory. If you havent got your B cat yet then get a toy similar to the pistol you wish to learn to shoot. Weight it to something similar of the the real thing.

Practice raising the pistol into a firing position till it becomes second nature and your subconcious takes over. Keep working on your sight picture. Everyone wobbles, skill is learning to take that wobble and turning it into a circular motion rather than a haphazard one, once you have that circular motion then try and make it smaller and smaller. Release the trigger at the same time every time while maintaining your sight picture.

SNIPER im sorry Ive gone way off topic.

Fish or anyone else for that matter, if you want the benifit of an old hackers 25 years experience of pistol shoting then start a new thread and I will try and put what I know into a more coherrant format.


Mr

[Mr Merde]

Probably because Mr Farmer did not want them eating grass his sheep could have eaten and just wanted rid of them, they were just pests.

Sort of the same attitude you have to a swarm of flies.

Oh so very true.

Weeding the garden. A weed is a plant in the wrong place. An animal can be the same if in the wrong place. Ask DOC

[mstriumph]

Oh so very true.

Weeding the garden. A weed is a plant in the wrong place. An animal can be the same if in the wrong place. Ask DOC

Did you read the post i originally quoted on?
Pest control is one thing .......... understandable, necessary and acceptable.

Massacre with automatic weapons, inflicting maximum terror and agony for FUN [if i read Dooly's original post correctly] is not

at least, not to me

i know there is a section of society that kills for the amusement of inflicting pain and gets off on the powertrip of the terror and distress of the victim .......

wankers that need an artificial dick to enable them to get off

but it sickens and distresses me - i wouldn't have been able to witness it without getting myself into serious strife trying to ram the aforementioned substitute penis up the perpetrator's fundemental oriface.

- and your officer in basic training, Mr Merde? there are some orders which should never be either given or obeyed ...... in combat, troops have a mechanism for dealing with officers like that. ... another form of 'pest control' mebbe

Firearms are a necessary part of country life - when shooting for the table co-incides with culling of unwanted animals 'in the wrong place', that's a win/win situation in my book ........ - that ISN't what this post is about.

my 2c