Climate change reports

[Pwalo]

Get a grip boys. The experts can't tell us what the weather will be tommorrow, or the next few days, but they can accurately predict the long term stuff?

We're going to run out of oil in 10 years? FFS we don't even know how much of the stuff there is, how it's produced, how long it takes to produce, etc.

Now worry about something that really matters. Like what you're going to have for lunch.

[ManDownUnder]

Desalination is too expensive.

Only while there are other options... then it becomes remarkably attractive. Desal or die... desal... or die... ?

Not a tough choice really

[Big Dave]

Get a grip boys.

The difference between being worried and being aware.
Like I'm aware of the dangers of motorcycling - but i'm not worried about it.

[Roj]

There are scientists that disagree with the reports as well, research is ongoing, one of the problems is that accurate weather & climate recordings are a recent development when considering things on a geological time scale, as the research gets better it may all turn out to be a storm in a teacup

[Jantar]

I just wonder are these they same guy that were bleating on about global cooling 15 years ago

It was 30 years ago, and yes, it is the same Dr Hansen who claimed that the earthe was heading for an ice age by 2010 who is now one of the lead science reviewers for the IPCC. Interesting that he reviews more of his own papers than anyone elses.

[Jantar]

Ten facts about global warming THEY don’t want you to know

Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book.

Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there.

Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas.

Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth.

Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming.

The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained or those that are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect.

Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions.

The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate.

The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives

The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists.

For links to each of these facts see http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/ten_fac...al_warming.htm

[Krusti]

Paul Henry this morning reckoned we should dredge the seabed and build a few mountains in Aussie to make room for the exta water.

[scumdog]

Just a thought: The scientists waffle on about how the sea is rising due to global warming melting the polar ice.

Has anybody taken into consideration the possibility of ocean levels rising due to the amount of soil being washed into the ocean from our ever eroding mountains around the world?

Or is it insignificant?

(I believe it's a fair amount of real estate going into the oceans having an effect)

[Jantar]

At http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/ispm.html there is a link which will allow anyone to download the Indepenant Summary for Policy Makers. It is a long document, but gives a totally different perspective to what we see on the media. It is pdf format, so I am unable to cut and paste any of the more interesting sections.


I always find the science to be much more informative than the media.

[Paul in NZ]

Well at least they have that option available. Meanwhile in NZ... Dats our water bro..

If it dries up I'm digging a well at Finns place - plenty of water inside his walls I'm told..

[Big Dave]

I always find the science to be much more informative than the media.

But that only looking at a confined set of data if it's the one you posted before.

There are phenomena occurring that are outside those empirical marks. I don't care if it's man made of not.

For every scientist that says yea - I can quote you another that says nay. And vice versa. maybe even 'dozens'.
Eg: (Not a great quote - but it's only worth a few sec)
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Another report author, Tony McMichael, of the Australian National University, blah bla blah....

A digital map of Australia's coastline is being created to help pinpoint coastal communities that face being washed away by rising sea levels. The Australian Greenhouse Office is co-ordinating dozens of scientists to take part in the project.
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This is made up? Australian Greenhouse Office ie.

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Lastly for now - go and have a look at the shot hole that SE Qld has become and tell me all is Hunky Dory. It may well be natural, but it's still a well changed pisser.

[Ixion]

What Mr Jantar said. The world has been abnormally cold the last 400 years or so. If it is now warming up (from whatever reason) , then it is just returning back to what it was in earlier times. So, we had a short cold snap ,which is now over.

And so much the better. There is more of the Earth that is unusable because it is too cold, than there is unusable because it is too hot. Dry is a slightly different matter, but overall a warmer world will be a wetter world. Think tropics, Sinapore, India. Just the dry and wet may not be in the same places as now.

There may be some temporary minor disruption to human activity but it will be shortlived (a few centuries , a millenium at most) , relatively minor , a few cities abandoned here and there, some migration from newly inhospitable areas to newly hospitable ones, no different to what has happend thousands of times before.

And in the long run, it will be beneficial. Could be a good time to invest in real estate in Greenland or Scandanavia or North Africa. A few hundred years time, it might pay off big.

Roll it on , I say.

[Pwalo]

But you are only looking at one set of data. I don't know or care if it's man made of not.

There are phenomena occurring that are outside those empirical marks.

For every scientist that says yea - I can quote you another that says nay. And vice versa. maybe even 'dozens'.
Eg:
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Another report author, Tony McMichael, of the Australian National University, said people in rural Australia were particularly vulnerable to hotter and drier conditions. "There are a whole range of adverse health consequences that would flow from loss of livelihood, economic downturn, exposure to extremes of heat, dust, bushfires, smoke, depletions of freshwater supplies and so on."
A digital map of Australia's coastline is being created to help pinpoint coastal communities that face being washed away by rising sea levels. The Australian Greenhouse Office is co-ordinating dozens of scientists to take part in the project.
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This is made up?

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Lastly for now - go and have a look at the shot hole that SE Qld has become and tell me all is Hunky Dory. It may well be natural, but it's still a well changed pisser.

No mate it's not made up, they are doing that. The problem is that they are working on a mathematical model that can't be confirmed for a few more centuries at least. Not saying that it's a bad idea to have some sort of plan, just that to put a definitive course of action in place you need definitive data.

There isn't any yet.

I guess people like to believe in absolutes, but we're only dealing with extrapolations and theory. At the moment global warming/climate change/global cooling/greenhouse gases seem to have more of the look of a religion than reason.

[Jantar]

I sincerely hope that I am looking at many more than a single set of data, otherwise I'd be no better than Mann, Bradley, and Hughes who concocted the hockey stick theory. The are multiple sets of data that show that Climate Change is a natural phenomenum.

And yes, There are phenomena occurring that are outside those empirical marks of data, but no-one has shown that they have anything to do with climate change.

What Tony McMichael says is quite correct, but where is the evidence that those hotter and drier conditions are man made?

As for the coastal communities that face being washed away by rising sea levels. I would refer you to the actual sea level data being recorded that shows no man made sea level rise. I would refer you to http://www.john-daly.com/deadisle/index.htm for Tasmanian levels and at http://www.john-daly.com/ges/msl-rept.htm for a more general expose on sea levels.

[vifferman]

What's all this talk of global warming? That's like, so... 90's, Man.

It's now called Globular Yawning.