Which laws do I break...

[ManDownUnder]

If I got a bucket of sand and gravel and deliberatley spread it on the apex of a corner?

Or - to rephrase, am I allowed to do this? Why? or Why not.

Which law(s) do I break?

How are transit exempt from those rules where they leave crap all over the road without warning signs etc - through laziness or standard practice (read "negligence")?

Qualified opinions only please guys.

[Grahameeboy]

Is it Transit or the Contractor....a legal minefield that one.

Not sure what Law you are breaking.......

[Finn]

Unfortunately, probably the biggest law you broke was taking sand from the beach without gaining Resource Consent.

[jetboy]

Unfortunately, probably the biggest law you broke was taking sand from the beach without gaining Resource Consent.

or Iwi consent

[ManDownUnder]

Is it Transit or the Contractor....a legal minefield that one.

Not sure what Law you are breaking.......

It'd be Transit - they're ultimately responsible for the actions/failres of subbies.

[crashe]

From what I understand....... if road workers or contractors leaving dirt etc on the road as they are leaving the job..... then they must clean up the mess.
Either by getting a broom and brushing it away or hosing it down.

Sometimes they leave a long trail from the wheels of the dirt/clay/stones on the road. This is very dangerous and as far as I am aware they (the driver) of said vehicle must clean it up. Or the driver gets his company to come out and clean it up as soon as possible.

This is in the city and country for them to clean it up.

[ManDownUnder]

Which law(s) do I break?

Qualified opinions only please guys.

Offending one and all I know - but there's 2 key statements I made... above...

[jetboy]

I know if you cause debris to be on the road surface (glass after an accident, mud from tractor tyres etc) it is your responsibility to clean it up. You will almost definitely be held legaly liable for any injury/damage that occurs as a result of this debris.

Can't see how Transit can get away with leaving shit allover the road.

[ManDownUnder]

I'll be interested to hear back from transit - I just shot them a note on what performance criteria Transit place on their subbies...

Still looking for a qualified answer to my original question though - If I was to throw shit all over the road would I break the law - and if so - which one(s)?

[gixermike]

i'd suggest just finding out who the contractor is, and who the Transit manager responsbile is... Probably will be Fulton Hogan (they do most pothole filling work) or works infrastructure, in which case write to their group health and safety manager and general manager about this problem in general...as well as the specific incident. Let him kick up a storm regarding their 'safety failings'. copy it to transit as well just for fun...the contractor will see someone is watching and it'll probably get brought up.

Wouldn't bother with the 'quality ofwork ' route via transit, as if transit inforce it and require anything more than they do already, then the contractor will likely just claim it's a variation (above the minimum standard requried by the contract) and claim more money. Also, if you go straight to the contractor you'll likley get a much better response than your expecting....I work for one (nothing to do with roads i'd add before the flames...) and you wouldn't believe how long complaints take to filter through from councils etc...I'd rather get them myself and sort them out.

Unless it's actually road metal (chipseal chips etc) it could be someone else like a haulier...they quite often over fill and end up dumping stuff when the go round corners...or it gets caught up on the tailgate. they should do better though. If it's actually 'sand' then not likely for roadbuilding..more likely drainage / service laying.
Have no idea of the quantity involved though. couple of bucket fulls (haulier)/ several m3 of road metal (transit / FH)?

PM me if you want more.

[sisterecho]

If I got a bucket of sand and gravel and deliberatley spread it on the apex of a corner?

Or - to rephrase, am I allowed to do this? Why? or Why not.

Which law(s) do I break?

How are transit exempt from those rules where they leave crap all over the road without warning signs etc - through laziness or standard practice (read "negligence")?

Qualified opinions only please guys.

Contact Transit's consultants for the area you are referring to. They deal with all complaints/issues on the State highway. If you don't complain then things aren't going to improve are they? And yes, this is a qualified opinion... this is my line of work... more or less.

[ManDownUnder]

Contact Transit's consultants for the area you are referring to. They deal with all complaints/issues on the State highway. If you don't complain then things aren't going to improve are they? And yes, this is a qualified opinion... this is my line of work... more or less.

Cool - thanks!

I'd still love to know the law on it too. Negligence leaps to mind (in the case of transit) and or anything else that reflects the menace left for unsuspecting road users.

[Kinje]

Along a similar line, what about the signage around the works? Should I make a complaint to contractor, transit? It's a country road out to Castlepoint.

For example the speed limit is 100 km/hr, 50 km/hr temporary sign before works, then there was a 70 km/hr sign on the other side!

And later on that road is from 100, 30 temp, then nothing at all on the other side. Coming back the other way there is a 100 works end sign on the back of the 30 sign.

[yungatart]

'Tis interesting!
Here in HB we get trucks dropping apples, tomatoes, onions, corn, squash etc. Just recently a Dr binned on a roundabout when he encountered onions, I think, both him and his 11y/o pillion were carted off to hospital with moderate to severe injuries.
Police stated at the time that they were treating it as a serious problem and wanted motorists to alert them of any incidents they witnessed, offenders would be prosecuted.
Have yet to see of any results, but it is a real hazard here at this time of the year.

[buellbabe]

This is an issue I have had recent experience with...
Currently my insurance company is going for the jugular of Franklin Council. And they expect to get full compensation .
According to my insurance agent there has been a recent case in the Sth Is where a local council was ordered by a judge to fully cover all the costs involved when their roading contractors were negligent by NOT posting warning signs for new seal and a motorcyclist ended up sliding underneath a truck and spending time in hospital...bloody lucky he wasn't killed.

So a precedent has been set...and there is no way Councils/Transit/contractors should be allowed to get away with this crap.