Probably not... now you know for future reference when you get caught speedingOriginally Posted by krazy_karl
Forum whore
Probably not... now you know for future reference when you get caught speeding
“There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there? ”-Clerks
L-Plate Rider
You have obviously never dealt with Police overseas. The majority of them are much much much worse.
Forum whore
could be old rusty bollocks.
I'd tell the pigs to get fucked and flee to a more civilised country, live Myanmar.
Forum whore
It's ok speedie, I have enough hatred for the both of us.
L-Plate Rider
I always thought they had to show you the speed if you asked as well, and that what they locked was what the ticket was supposed to be for.
Interesting story from many years ago (RX7 Days)
Very late at night, traveling home from girlfriends place (I'm sure you all know the drill), car coming in opposite direction seems to have slightly brighter than usual headlights so I had funny thought mite be a cop, It was in a build up area so I was going round a round about when I saw it in the distance so checked speed and was under 50, carried on up the road and sure enough when we crossed it was a cop, he did the big swing around and zapped up behind me and flicked the lights on.
I pulled over, got out and met him at the back of the car, he says "did you realise you were doing 75 in a 50?" my response was "no I wasn't!" so it caries on with yes you were, etc, so I asked to see the speed on the radar, he says, "well its not locked in but make sure I keep my speed down" and tells be to bugger off!
I'll always remember that weird little run in!
Cyborg Biker
I know of stories where the cop will get a lock on one vehicle of the speed and then not reset it and use that lock on all others for a period of time... and in reality they wouldn't have the foggest what speed you were doing. (Alexandra cops have been known to do this)
on the wagon
They can do what they want. If you pay it you are accepting it. Let a judge decide the outcome if you feel you have a case (you do IMHO)
Iiimbecile-baiting since 2007
I used to think, before I had run-ins with the law, that the over-riding principle of justice in this country was that you were guilty until proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt. To prove, one requires proof - which in this day and age usually means evidence.
However, as we all know, in cases like this, the Police do not have to provide actual evidence; all they have to do is turn up and state that "I, Officer ZL666 Snake, saw this reckless hooligan doing 50.5 in the 50 zone". The JPs then take it as read without any actual proof at all.
It shouldn't be too difficult to have some form of logging built into the radar or laser units the cops use. It records each time the unit is triggered, what speed it records, and then timestamps it. That could be independently verified. The unit would also have to be calibrated each morning and if car-mounted, the speedo of the car calibrated each morning as well. Obviously the devices used for calibration would need to be themselves calibrated. This is common practice overseas. In the UK, it's a requirement and leads to a number of tickets being overridden because the Police haven't followed their own rules. Any break in the evidence or calibration chain, and the whole lot becomes invalid.
As I understand it, radar devices can show instantaneous speed. However, until a reading is locked, the radar is constantly painting the target and recalculating speeds. This can be affected by any other traffic present and those kinds of radar have relatively wide beams. The radar does not necessarily lock onto the fastest-moving target; it locks onto the biggest one. The radar can also shift between targets mid-paint, so to speak ... which causes the odd spurious reading. That's why the radar devices can lock: it ensures the reading is consistent by examining a number of paints over a small period of time.
KK - I'd fight it. First off write the the Police Infringement Bureau. Be polite, lay out the facts in a clear chronological fashion, and point out the discrepancy between the speed indicated on the ticket and the speed displayed on the radar. Also point out that you queried it then and there, and that the officer stated that his own radar reading was incorrect. Point out the increased fine / demerit penalty resultant from the 4kph difference in speeds and (if you're happy - relatively speaking - with accepting a ticket for 67kph) state so. At the end of the day, such a letter can only work in your favour. If you later go to court, the fact you've already raised the point with the cops and received short shrift from them will strengthen your case.
Drop me a PM if you want a hand writing the letter.
is currently sulking in the Sin Bin
That's what I reckon happened to me on Easter Monday. I admit I was exceeding the posted 80kph but not doing 111. I'm going to have my say in court, who cares about the court costs if you lose? It's only a few extra bucks. The more people that challenge this revenue-gathering system the better. I can recall speed cameras being introduced to catch the "top ten percent" yet stat's show that the majority of tickets issued are for speeds between 111 and (I think) 118pkh. Hardly the top ten percent. Todays bikes and cars can happily and economically cruise at 115kph all day long (many can do it at higher speeds), they have great braking systems, handling capabilities etc. At the right time, in the right place, I often travel faster than 115 but that's a punt I take. I can recall the last time I was ticketed for doing 117 on SH1, in the forest just south of Tokaroa, (beaut day, alone on the road etc) and even though there wasn't another vehicle for miles and I was super-polite there was no way I was going get off or get a reduction. So, I got shitty and went 140-150 plus all the way to Taupo. Great ride!
БЛИН!
Never got his name... receding blondish hair and a run of the mill round-the-clock beard.
Just went into a speech how many have tried fighting tickets but have never succeeded *insert grin here*.
And how KB has some bad apples such as that speedie ambo guy who has been saying mean hurtful things in regards to this cop in question while being stopped only once.
Iiimbecile-baiting since 2007
Borrow a video camera, sit in an inoccuous car (preferably one that isn't yours) and tape him at it. Then lay a complaint, and make it bloody obvious that you'll refer the matter to the Police Complaints Authority if it isn't followed up properly. Also demand to kow the outcome of the complaint. A few demerit points on his licence and a hefty fine should go some way to curing his hypocrisy. And if (and it's a distinct possibility) he should get a ban, it'll have one more wanker off the road for a time.
Even if you don't get the video, should you get signed statements from other KB members that he's been slagging you off to other bikers when he stops them, I'd raise the matter with the Police Complaints Authority anyway. You'll need proof (the statements) but I imagine it would be take very seriously. This is not just some other bloke slagging you off; it's an Police officer slandering you during the course of his duties. It's unwarranted, uncalled for and illegal.
And if I ever have the misfortune to be stopped by him and he mentions your name or alias, I'll raise a complaint myself.
MFSC rises again
theres one thing that cops can do and that is get fucked and suck my cock the do to many bullshit things and ive had them happen. i got told by the cops that i ran a red light when i no it was a green arrow they just wanted to pull me over
MFSC lives on!
L-Plate Rider
thanks for all the advice and 'comments' and to billyvan i was in my RX7 at the time think that probably didnt help my case much. cop had already judged me as a boy racer before i even pulled over i think
Hardcore Biker
Go ask a lawyer. Might cost you a few bucks (the difference between a ticket for 71 and 67 perhaps), but what the hell, it's only money!
Iiimbecile-baiting since 2007
Very true, but my free legal advice comes with a money-back guarantee
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