Scambaiting..

**Winter** · 22nd April 2007, 22:48

On trademe tonight : A Lovely 2000 Ducati : Sport Touring ST 4 - for a mere $3,500.

Obviously I can't pass up such a good offer, so I send of an email :

Originally Posted by Winter

Only $3,5k?

Originally Posted by Scammer

Buy Now Price: $3500
Free shipping.
Shipping method: Trademe Courier.
Time delivery: 3-5 days.

I'm from Romania and in my country PayPal service is not available yet.
We can use Trademe Exchange Package.
I'll send the bike via Trademe Courier 3 -5 days Air.
After that you will receive the innstructions for payment via email and you will send the money via Western Union to a Trademe agent.
Trademe will inspect the goods and will confirm the payment and will make the exchange.
This method is ok for you?

I'll wait for your reply asap!

Best regards!

Originally Posted by Winter

I will offer you only $3100. Do you accecpt?

Regards Kind Sir.

Originally Posted by Scammer

$3100 NZ dollars ok?
We will use a 100% safe method for this transaction.
If you agree with the terms then send me your complete name and address for shipping.

Terms:
1) You send me your shipping information (your full name and address)
2) I will go to Trademe Courier to leave the bike on their custody on your name as the intended receiver.
3) Trademe Shipping will verify the bike left in their custody, to see if everything is OK with it, and also the legal papers that will come along with the bike.
4) Once the inspection will be complete, Trademe Shipping will send you a delivery notification in which you will be told that they have the bike in their custody and the bike is ready to be shipped.
5) At this point, you will have to make a money transfer via Western Union on the Trademe COD officer name for the amount we agreed on and send the money transfer information linked to it(MTCN, sender's name and address and receiver's name and address) to Trademe.
6) Trademe Shipping will verify the money transfer, and if everything will be OK, they will ship the bike to your shipping address.
7) After you will receive the bike, you will have 2 days to check it and see if everything is as you expected.
8) If you will like the bike, you will instruct Trademe Shipping to release the money transfer information to me, so I can collect the money.
If you will find out that the bike is not exactly like I told you that it will be, or that is something wrong with them, or that is something wrong with the legal papers, or you simply don't like them, you will return it to Trademe Shipping. You will then go back to the Western Union Location were you made the money transfer and take back your money.
I will pay the shipping fee and you will have to pay the Western Union fee
I use this method, because I have found that this is the fastest and safest way to sell my products online.

Originally Posted by Winter

Just speaking with my wife, she says $3100 is too much for me to spend.
What is your lowest price?

Please let me ring and discuss this with you on the telephone,

Kind Sir Regards.

Originally Posted by Scammer

I'm from Romania not from NZ.
My best offer is $3000.
I can't sell under $3000
If you accept the price and if you agree with the terms then send me your complete name and address for shipping and I'll shipp you it the bike today.

I'll wait for your reply asap!

Best regards!

Originally Posted by Winter

Please let me ring and discuss with you. My employer pays the telephone
bill so I don't mind ringing Romania for such a nice bike.

Is this bike an automatic or manual model?

Sir Regards Kind!

Originally Posted by Scammer

Ok.
My phone number: 0040741699567
I'll wait for your ring or email.

Best regards!

Who wants to try that number?

**Wasp** · 22nd April 2007, 22:57

Originally Posted by Winter

Who wants to try that number?

you do, your work pays for it remember?

**James Deuce** · 22nd April 2007, 23:00

Blimey. Even Romanians think Kiwis are stupid.

**yod** · 22nd April 2007, 23:07

ive come across these chaps before a couple of times selling brnad new bipostos for $2000 and a a couple of beemers for a similar price
I had a similar back and forth on email and then reported them to trademe - they have been hacking trademe accoutns for a while now (was on the the stuff website a while back)

i said to the guy "why is it you wanna sell a $30k bike for $2k"
reply: "what $30k? i paid 3000 dollars for this bike"
yeah right

with my last reply i told him you could spot his scam a mile off cos the price was ridiculously low ...idiot

you might also notice they only put the bike on trademe for an hour or two....

**Quartermile** · 22nd April 2007, 23:16

There would be some simple idiot out there who thinks they are in control, "hehe stupid Romanians don't know the value of bikes, i'm sure going to play them" etc

**Ixion** · 22nd April 2007, 23:17

Old saying. Noone ever lost money betting on human stupidity.

**Lorax** · 22nd April 2007, 23:32

There are stupid people out there too. Poor bastards that get ripped off.

**Delphinus** · 22nd April 2007, 23:43

Originally Posted by Wasp

you do, your work pays for it remember?

Just use skypeout. about 3c per minute. create a group call with another computer and feed it into an audio recorder... some good laughs with your mates. We did it a while back with some numbers we found on various spam email. managed to keep them talking for up to half an hour :P

**FROSTY:Me** · 22nd April 2007, 23:51

OMG---You mean Im NOT getting my mV augusta that I paid $2500 for ??

**Ixion** · 23rd April 2007, 00:41

Of course you are. Don't worry everything's all legal an above board, it'll be shipped to you directly.

We just need first to take care of a few formalities. Oh, and there is a UN Facilitation Fee that needs to be taken care of. It's necessary to get a certificate to establish that the shipment doesn't contain any products from endangered species. Which, obviously it doesn't , so you can see that there is nothing to worry about. It's a trifling sum, only a hundred dollars or so (US) . Nothing for you to bother about, just sit back and imagine how good it will feel to be riding that Augusta. In the meantime , just PM me your bank account details, and I'll set up a direct debit to cover that small , once only fee. You won't need to do anything at all. Best go send the PM right now, the faster we get this paperwork out of the way the sooner you'll be riding your exciting new MV. And at a real bargain price too, you'll be the envy of everyone you know. Best send that PM now.

**Busy** · 23rd April 2007, 20:49

scambaiting can be hours/days of fun, if anyone wants to try it, here is some good info for you

http://www.scambusters.co.nz/forum/viewforum.php?f=25

It's becoming a full time hobby for some - those scammers are just so dumb

**El Dopa** · 24th April 2007, 19:05

Is it any wonder, really? I'd say the countries ripe for the plucking when this is the lead story in our local paper.

"One man, who wishes to remain anonymous because of Family Court proceedings, admits to having had two mail order brides.

"I'm one of the dumb ones. I did it twice in seven years," he says.

He found his first wife, from the Ukraine, through Trade and Exchange."

Twice???? Trade and Exchange???? Did he think he'd get a refund if he kept the receipt?

At least 11 guys just on the north shore.....

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 24th April 2007, 19:28

Originally Posted by Winter

Is this bike an automatic or manual model?

lol... ok thats funny... bastard never answered your question... lol

**McJim** · 24th April 2007, 19:39

I'm glad my Ducati from trademe is genuine...I collect it from some 3rd world country on Saturday....er Nuw Zulind, New Zildjian...oh that's the one - New Zealand.

Cool