Larrakin behaviour!

**Zed** · 20th February 2004, 09:14

Originally Posted by White trash

On the record "No"

I am mystified by you then White Trash!

You ride a 2003 GSXR600 & have an avatar of a wheelie, but claim that you don't condone stunts and never speed or lane split??

Totally mystified!

Zed

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 09:28

Originally Posted by Zed

I am mystified by you then White Trash!

You ride a 2003 GSXR600 & have an avatar of a wheelie, but claim that you don't condone stunts and never speed or lane split??

Totally mystified!

Zed

Just having you good folks on, Zed

Not trying to be a smart arse, just a sarcastic type

I'm one of the biggest advocate for stunting on road bikes. However, I do believe there's a time and a place for this kind of behaviour. Ask anyone who rides with me, safe as houses I tell ya!

What I LOATHE is newbies talking tough about how fantastic they are at stunting here there and every where. Practice in a safe enviroment, out of sight of law enforcers and people likely to have a bitch. Once you've got your shit together, keep your trap shut, boys and girls and let yor riding speak for itself.

**Coldkiwi** · 20th February 2004, 10:02

and what a nice looking wheelie that GSXR is doing too

I'm working on them but no where near controlled. Still trying to get used to the sensation up going up and down. once I'm getting used to that I might start abusing my clutch so I don't have to keep ending up at 95kph before it comes down again (throttle only attempts at the moment).

**duckman** · 20th February 2004, 10:19

I've just started trying out the wheelie thing on the TL but I'm a bit nervous that the bloody thing will just launch me off the back. So far it wont even lift, and Dave reckons the TLR might have a Suzuki safetly feature that retards this sort of behaivour.

I've read that installing the power command will sort this prob right out!

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 10:34

Originally Posted by duckman

I've just started trying out the wheelie thing on the TL but I'm a bit nervous that the bloody thing will just launch me off the back. So far it wont even lift, and Dave reckons the TLR might have a Suzuki safetly feature that retards this sort of behaivour.

I've read that installing the power command will sort this prob right out!

What he's talking about is a Suzuki tuning feature which retards the ignition in the first 3 gears. This is easily fixed (without the expense of a PC) by fitting a TRE (timing retard eliminator). My GSX-R600 is stock and it lifts the front just fine. There is a bit of a knack coming to terms on a new bike as well.

Try this, find a long stretch of open road up hill, deserted passing lanes are best. Cruise along at about 80kph in 2nd, momentarily dip the clutch as you wind in the power. Viola! Instant upright TL.

There are things to consider. 1. There is a good chance of rooting the clutch if you disengage it too much with too much power on. The torque of a 1Kcc twin is impressive and clutches are often overwelmed. 2. It'll come up easier in first gear but a lot more abruptly, hence the feeling it wants to chuck you off the back. I find second gear best for this very reason.

Oh yeah, as I said. "out of view from law enforcers", good luck and let us know how you get on.

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 10:37

Originally Posted by Coldkiwi

and what a nice looking wheelie that GSXR is doing too

I'm working on them but no where near controlled. Still trying to get used to the sensation up going up and down. once I'm getting used to that I might start abusing my clutch so I don't have to keep ending up at 95kph before it comes down again (throttle only attempts at the moment).

Ck, use the clutch man. It's easier on chains, sprockets, fork seals, steering head bearings and yourself. With the clutch up method you can control what speed you lift it at and how fast it comes up.

Nice bike BTW

**slob** · 20th February 2004, 10:40

Originally Posted by duckman

I've just started trying out the wheelie thing on the TL but I'm a bit nervous that the bloody thing will just launch me off the back. So far it wont even lift, and Dave reckons the TLR might have a Suzuki safetly feature that retards this sort of behaivour.

I've read that installing the power command will sort this prob right out!

Me and Motoracer practiced wheelies on my old TL1000S a while ago (in a deserted industrial area of course). We were clutching it up in 1st gear, and basically snapping the throttle shut each time we got spooked (about every attempt) which resulted in less-than-graceful landings. Anyway, next day I notice oil spilling off my forks - apparently the fork seals were busted! Repair bill amounted to $250. Haven't attempted them since - esp since I downgraded to a FZR400...

**marty** · 20th February 2004, 11:20

Originally Posted by Two Smoker

Easiest wheelie machine: CBR1100XX 'busa or ZX-12R. i can vouch for the CBR as being pillion for a 3 gear wheelie

with a wheelbase of 1485mm, i don't imagine the busa being a doddle to wheelie, trying to hold in 175 ponies would take a bit of respect too. i rode one a couple of weeks ago, and pulling a sustained wheelie on it would mean a hell of a lot of bike hanging in the sky

in my limited big bike riding, the big v twins - TL1000, SV1000, RSV, Falco - they all pull the front wheel piece of piss - the power/torque delivery is just so different to the screaming fours.

My RS pulls the front wheel in 3rd without too much hassle - makes a heap of noise though....

and my old TT500 was the best wheelie machine EVER.

i'm sure that some of the crazy riders from welly can enlighten you more.....

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 11:25

Originally Posted by marty

with a wheelbase of 1485mm, i don't imagine the busa being a doddle to wheelie, trying to hold in 175 ponies would take a bit of respect too. i rode one a couple of weeks ago, and pulling a sustained wheelie on it would mean a hell of a lot of bike hanging in the sky

in my limited big bike riding, the big v twins - TL1000, SV1000, RSV, Falco - they all pull the front wheel piece of piss - the power/torque delivery is just so different to the screaming fours.

My RS pulls the front wheel in 3rd without too much hassle - makes a heap of noise though....

and my old TT500 was the best wheelie machine EVER.

i'm sure that some of the crazy riders from welly can enlighten you more.....

I've got a "Fast Bikes" video from back when Shayne "Shakey" Byrne was testing for them. How does 2 miles, 140mph, on one wheel on a 'Busa in Holand grab ya? The man's a master!

**Zed** · 20th February 2004, 11:38

Originally Posted by White trash

Just having you good folks on, Zed

Not trying to be a smart arse, just a sarcastic type

I'm one of the biggest advocate for stunting on road bikes.

Alright then, now that you've explained your sarcasim I'm no longer mystified!

Reminds me of misunderstanding my wife sometimes. You are male aren't you?

Zed

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 11:43

Originally Posted by Zed

Alright then, now that you've explained your sarcasim I'm no longer mystified!

Reminds me of misunderstanding my wife sometimes. You are male aren't you?

Zed

Last time I looked!

What is it about blokes misunderstanding their wives? Mine constantly looking at me like I've got two heads,

**Zed** · 20th February 2004, 11:47

Originally Posted by White trash

...Try this, find a long stretch of open road up hill, deserted passing lanes are best. Cruise along at about 80kph in 2nd, momentarily dip the clutch as you wind in the power. Viola! Instant upright TL...

Sorry WT, but I'm not purposely disagreeing with everything you say...I would never recommend this method to a newbie wheelie attempter. Kiss goodbye to your bike and probably your life!

Controlled wheelies can be pulled going at speeds of 20-30kms without disastrous endings if the control is lost...attempting them at 80kms & coming off is a grave error.

Zed

**White trash** · 20th February 2004, 11:55

Originally Posted by Zed

Sorry WT, but I'm not purposely disagreeing with everything you say...I would never recommend this method to a newbie wheelie attempter. Kiss goodbye to your bike and probably your life!

Controlled wheelies can be pulled going at speeds of 20-30kms without disastrous endings if the control is lost...attempting them at 80kms & coming off is a grave error.

Zed

Hey, open forums are all about differing opinions, which is why I take part.

In fact I agree totaly with what you've just said. However, I find it easier to control a high speed wheelie than a low speed one. (I don't have a problem with either). Might be just me but throttle adjustments at higher speeds/gears dont seem to have as much influence to front wheel altitude.

'Course, could just mean I'm cak-handed with shit throttle control full stop

**jrandom** · 20th February 2004, 12:09

Originally Posted by White trash

Might be just me but throttle adjustments at higher speeds/gears dont seem to have as much influence to front wheel altitude.

Nup. 'sallot smoother, innit?

I reckon wheelieing teenie-weenie-bikes at low speed, CBs, CGs, GNs and wotnot, is an excellent way to build stunting and general control skills, since you have to get used to doing things quickly, you don't have a heap of gyroscopic stability like you do in a big bike going fast, and you have to get over clutch-dump phobia to get it up. Also, falling off will probably not kill or severely injure you. Well. Maybe, anyway.

Hence why I early on made sure I could get the FXR to pop up and down smoothly from a walking pace. Hopefully when I get the Proper Bike it won't take long to have the front up in a controlled manner.

Anyone can grab a handful of throttle on a GSXR1000 at speed, as was evidenced a few weeks ago... I was at work on a Saturday afternoon and someone test-rode one of Holeshot's gixer thous down Fred Thomas Drive, did a very noisy throttle wheelie lasting half the length of the road. Proper balance-point wheelies are much more impressive, IMHO.

**duckman** · 20th February 2004, 12:17

Just found this little gem, which might be of interest to some Suzuki owners

Suzuki changed the timing on gears 1 through 5 so there was not quite so much power going to the back wheel (after the 97 TLS became known as a wheely monster), and thus this retarded timing can cause stumbles in any gear 1 through 5, although it is most noticeable in 2nd gear. To eliminate this problem, follow the instructions below. This will fool the bike into thinking it is always in 6th gear and will eliminate the 2nd gear stumbles.

Below is my description of the resistor mod, and it may fill in a little more of the details than what is posted on the net...

The mod is relatively simple. Right behind the top part of right side fairing is the coolant overflow bottle. Near the bottle you will see the wires running from the gear box through a white connector and then up to the front of the bike where the ECU is. The wires you are concerned about are the wires running from the white connector to the ECU at the front of the bike (the other side of the white connector has wires running towards the back of the bike to the gear box). The three wires running to the ECU are blue, pink, and black with white strip. Ignore the blue wire. Cut the pink wire. Now that the pink wire is in two pieces, ignore the small piece hanging off the connector (just put some electrical tape over it). Take the remaining pink wire that is running towards the front of the bike and connect one end of the 15k resistor. Connect the other end of the 15k resistor to the black and white wire WITHOUT CUTTING THE BLACK/WHITE wire. "T" the resistor into the black/white wire (you don't want to cut this wire because it is the ground, and if you do you will no longer have a Neutral indicator on your dash). Tape everything up good, and you are good to go.