radar detector

[What?]

Originally posted by Kwaka-Kid
if you really want you can ask to see the logbook, altho they dont have to show you..

Umm, actually, they do. They also have to show you the radio license on demand (radar being radio transmitters etc.) And No, "sorry, it's back at the office" is not an acceptable answer. The law clearly states that record of calibration and license must be both held in the vehicle and produced on demand. You also have the right to see the reading on the equipment.

[Kwaka-Kid]

nooooooooooooooo you dont...

you dont have a right to see the reading on the equiptment.

Because how can bike cops give speeding tickets when following you? they can say "oh, i was matching yor speed @ 67kmph" so you get the f-ing ticket, aree you going to ask for him to wind his little fingure around the speedo till it shows 67? no, but its perfectly legal as of around 12months ago when they finally got somthing to calibrate the bikes speedo's.

so they dont actually have to show you squat all. and nope, logbooks dont have to be shown @ all.  thats what i was told and it was from a very nice coppa aswell so you prove otherwise hehehe.  *throws the book @ what?

hehe this is fun, the battle of information! haha ill prolly loose but hey, its fun anyways

[What?]

Aye, Lad, lose ye will. You see, my info comes from VERY high up in the pleece farce. Maybe one day I will tell you (in person) just how high, but meantime be satsfied that you are being bullshitted by someone other than me. (of course I am not saying your copper mate knows he's talking crap..)

Obviously, they do not have to show you a speedo reading if they have been following you (at constant speed for not less than 400 metres), but they DO have to show you a microwave or laser reading if you ask to see it. The calibration log is also covered in the rules, and the transmission license is a Broadcasting Authority issue,as microwave speed detection units are in fact radio transmitters capable of transmitting a signal greater than 60 metres. If they can't produce the license, the unit is being used unlawfully, so any ticket will be invalid.

Now, I have agreed with you about cycletreads, so be quiet!!

 

[What?]

Of course the laws could have changed. I must read some legislation...

[Lou Girardin]

That's surprising, in the MOT days they didn't have to show you anything. They just had to produce a certificate of accuracy if the matter went to court.
I think the RF spectrum licence is held by Police headquarters, not individual cops. The public has no legal right to see it, so they don't carry it.
Lou

[Lou Girardin]

That's surprising, in the MOT days they didn't have to show you anything. They just had to produce a certificate of accuracy if the matter went to court.
I think the RF spectrum licence is held by Police headquarters, not individual cops. The public has no legal right to see it, so they don't carry it.
Lou

[Lou Girardin]

That's strange wiked one, my Valentine rear antenna works just fine, even with the aluminised liner in my Spidi jacket. Bugger! I must have alien flesh.
The Escort has only 1 micowave antenna and 2 laser sensors, only Valentine has 2, apart from remote mounted units such as BEL.
You don't seem to understand laser jammers;
They are not illegal, they are light transmission devices and as such not subject to the RF spectrum regulations. They do not send a false speed, they actually jam the returning laser pulse which results in a blank read out.
I have been zapped by laser guns many times, the fact that the cops continuously trigger the unit trying to get a reading and the filthy looks they give, prove that it works.
The only flaw that some units have is that, a short range (50 metres or so) the latest Police Stalker guns can punch through and get a reading. Someone I know is working on dealing with that too.

[wkid_one]

Read the Land Transport Act - running with equipment that interferes with the Police speed detection equipment is illegal.

Also - look online - certain jammers do send back a false readout...both are technically prosecutable in NZ under

55. Tampering with vehicle surveillance equipment--- (1) A person
commits an offence if the person---
   (a) Tampers with approved vehicle surveillance equipment; or
   (b) Interferes with---
           (i) Approved vehicle surveillance equipment; or
           (ii) The operation of approved vehicle surveillance equipment.


There you go - it is illegal...sorry.

A cop can pull you over and search the vehicle if there is grounds to believe you are running a jammer.

 

 

[wkid_one]

Oh and Lou - you are infact incorrect about Jammers - you are actually talking about a Scrambler (or passive jammers) - which isn't technically a jammer - refer below

Radar scramblers, or passive scramblers are not jammers. Yes, the largest manufacturer of passive scramblers, Rocky Mountain Radar, refers to their products as “jammers, however, passive scramblers do not transmit, and thus by technical definition can not be called a jammer. No passive scrambler has ever passed a highway performance test, yet these types of products are often hyped with powerful sounding marketing words, (such as 100 foot punch through, 3 year warranty, ticket rebate program) but passive scramblers have yet to pass a highway performance test conducted by , whose company is hired by police and countermeasure companies around the world to certify nearly all the countermeasures in our industry. A smart buyer will pay money for proven performance, not for beautiful words covering up for a lack of highway performance.

So I am fully informed - oh and PS - the full article is attached http://www.1-radar-laser-jammers-det...cramblers.html seeing as we are getting pendantic

PS - same site rate the Valentine number three based on independant tests -BEHIND the Escort, due to slightly faster response time .  PLus it doesn't detected the new K and ka POP3 bands or the new short burst radar gun.

 

[Coldkiwi]

i won't try and confuse the issue further as I don't have firm sources but my understanding was that they CERTAINLY had to offer you to read the speed measuring equipment if it was radar or laser. as for calibration, I know of court cases that have been thrown out because the officer had not recorded the calibration data in his book. he said he had but that was not enough in court.

I'll take that braking comment as proof that its true (I did say you needed to really haul it up!)

it doesn't surprise me that we have conflicting advice from the police force though on this. as evidenced by the draft exhaust laws shambles, the front line police are not kept well informed about what they can and cannot prosecute for.

 

[Kwaka-Kid]

What? -thankyou for agreeing on cycletreads, and by the sounds of things, nearly everyone does :P  BUT

i wont back down . here we go, they can fill in the log book after the ticket is made etc @ end of day so long as calibration was done... and no they DEFINATLY do not have to show the public squat, by what you are saying, any public member could keep holding up the police by saying "i wanna see ur logbook!" and they never define that it was by the ticketedperson etc.. but yes in court they do have to present it if asked.   And Lou, thats right, back in ACC and MOT days they didnt have to, and the same law still stands, they dont have to show the public squat when it comes to the reading! listen, this has happend over and over to the cop i know, real big asshole talinig shit etc, you just tell him "nope, sorry you cant see the reading" if hes being a real wanker - 2 can play that game.  you just tell him to ring his lawyer and take you to court, and sure enuf, it gets thrown out as it has in the past... now either all the judges are turning a blind eye to the law you speak of because they love police so much, or it just dont exist!

i know which one i believe.

[marty]

Originally posted by wkid_one
All I know is from speaking to the cops and personal experience.  The manual pulse is seldom used - and the in car system is usually on auto -
 

auto?? what is auto? are these NZ cops you spoke to? the stalkers/eagles etc HAVE be locked manually, and the speed doesn't have to settle before being locked on. the only auto speed recording is done by the cameras.

[marty]

i'm with KK on the logbook/calibration/licence thing - you should always ask to see your recorded speed though, and also to see the patrol car speed. this is usually (automaically) turned off when the target is locked, but it can be displayed if asked for. if the cop refuses, it's probably because his patrol speed was over the limit, and it would be good fodder for court. i had a 130k/h ticket in my car once, but didn't get written up because the cops DTS (patrol speed) was 117.........

[wkid_one]

Auto refers to constantly surveiling the roadusers.  Yes the unit needs to be 'locked on' - where you can get away with some serious braking if you are luck (or unlucky) to brake quicker than the cop can lock on.  By auto I refer to being instead of not transmitting.   However given the are constantly surveilling - they are transmitting a Ka signal that is recognisable to the detector.\

In saying that, I recently had passed 3 cars on the way out the valley who had their units off......b'stards and noticed for the first time the car with the rear facing unit - interesting for the rapidly approaching motorcyclist who sees the cop car a little too late

[wkid_one]

Yeah - agree Marty - ask to see everything (the worst they can say is no) - also ask to see the last ticket written by the cop as some prick may just leave the speed up from the last offender.

Also look at the ticket with a fine toothed comb......anything to get off

PS - if the cop is speeding - they can still ticket you - all it means is the cops 'reason for speeding' is investigated.  His easy argument - keeping up with you to chase you down.