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    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyr View Post
    Man it must be nice to be light so that to can just loose preload and the suspension will work (to an extent although would propbably still be a little harsh I guess).
    It's not a question of being light, but being matched to the spring. The lowering links change the leverage on the shock, which makes it effectively a bit softer, and unfortunately the shock doesn't quite sit in the ideal part of its stroke. But the upside is that the softening via the lowering links means I don't have to change the spring out for a lighter one!

    The 200 fits me well out of the box; not only is it lighter and shorter (wheelbase) than the bigger bikes, 250 and up, but it is sprung for a lighter rider... I'm in the overlap between the std spring and the next one lighter. I'd definitely have to change the springs on the 250. [Edit: actually this is not true. All the bikes are set up for my weight, it's just that the bigger bikes use the next size up springs to achieve this.]

    I put a lighter spring in the Ohlins on my Honda Dominator (NX650) and have also put the lightest spring available in the Ohlins on my Trophy. So being on the lighter side of the mythical standard rider can be just as bad as the other side.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyr View Post
    I think my rear spring is a bit naff cause there is no preload adjustment left i.e. it is wound right up and the thing is still to soft for me!
    Well that could be two things: the spring is simply too low a rate for you, or it is poked. People seem to think suspension systems last forever. They don't. The OEM shock in my Trophy only lasted about 20,000km before the damping went off and the spring was sagged out after twice that. No amount of twiddling will fix it when it is inherently poked. The Ohlins gets serviced every 20-25Kkm.

    The shock in my DR-Z250 was serviced as soon as I bought it; used with 8,000km on it. It only had half the amount of oil it should have, ex-factory. That shock got serviced every year. It only cost a couple of hundred bucks to have it serviced and re-valved the first time, expensive because the non-removable end-cap had to be replaced with a removable RaceTech part. After that it was something like $80 to service... but it was hugely better than a stocker. I wonder how many DR650s have got poked shocks, possibly ex-factory too?

    The thing is, people seem to know that fork oil needs to be changed regularly, but they forget about the shock. The forks have around 1L of oil, the shock only 200mL... and it probably works harder.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyr View Post
    I know what you are saying about breaking the suspension in WW. When I tried the SE on for size the suspension would hardly even shift with my large arse jumping on it. That hast to be stiff new suspension or KTM make the stuff crazy stiff which I dont believe.
    What you're feeling is the stiction, much of it from everything being new & tight. Plus the forks are probably dry which will make it worse. Initially I rode my 640 with the compression damping backed right off, and the rebound backed out considerably, until one day I got the shits with it because it was too soft. Reset the clickers to near std and it's been great since. Its better again with fresh fork oil.

    The 200 has the compression backed all the way out, it only had 30-odd hours on it when I got it (1000km) but I've heard a good fix is to reduce the fork oil weight from 5W to 2.5W. I'll try that next change. The other thing is to remove the third bush to reduce stiction; I'm not landing 50ft supercross jumps so I don't need the extra support.
    Last edited by warewolf; 12th July 2007 at 23:04. Reason: sproing
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    Quote Originally Posted by hondav2 View Post
    I had a VTR 1000 with 2 bros and around town just on the gas was a little rough but the Duke I rode had nothing there , Cheers toddy
    Very interesting grasshopper, I've ridden the 950 in Adventurer & SuperMotard guise & found the fuelling wicked and no problem wityh the SD but hey it's not for tootling around town @ part throttle, it's a get out there & ride it like you stole it sorta thing. I'm in the 100+Kilo club so have replaced the rear spring for a heavier one so it's stopped scraping shit on the road !!much more confidence inspiring now
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooneyr View Post
    Man it must be nice to be light so that to can just loose preload and the suspension will work (to an extent although would propbably still be a little harsh I guess). I think my rear spring is a bit naff cause there is no preload adjustment left i.e. it is wound right up and the thing is still to soft for me!

    I know what you are saying about breaking the suspension in WW. When I tried the SE on for size the suspension would hardly even shift with my large arse jumping on it. That hast to be stiff new suspension or KTM make the stuff crazy stiff which I dont believe. I recon a broken in SE with a 18l tank would make a wicked adventure bike. Pity about the $ and the tank size.

    Cheers R
    I found the suspension on the SE fine (the one I rode had 1800km on it), bearing in mind it's intended use.

    Riding on the road, I got 155k's on a tank before the warning light came on.

    As for the price, it's just been dropped in Aussie...

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    Talking

    Finally got a short ride on the 990.......very nice, haven't found a 1200 to test yet but it would have to be very bloody good to feel better than the KTM. The height wasn't as much of a drama as I thought it could be, although I really didn't have time to try it on any difficult cambers.
    Tons of grunt, tall gearing, but being chain drive this can be tweaked. Did I mention tons of grunt? Not quite ZRX12 size but pretty dam impressive. The 21" front makes it''s self felt after years of 17" and 19" fronts, a wee bit disconcerting for the first turn or three.
    Now where's a bemmer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warewolf View Post
    ... I've got lowering links on my 640 to bring it down to 917mm, but with the correct suspension sag I can get the balls of my feet comfortably on the ground (I'm 5'7", sub-75kg in riding gear)....
    Hi Colin,

    Sounds like we're similar build. I'm 1.72m and 74-75kg.

    The reason I got a transalp was mainly seat height, it was either a funduro or the tranny. At 840cm I reach the ground same as you said "with the ball of my feet". Every other bike was simply camel tall.

    How much sag do you get out of your 640 after changing the rear link? From 917 to 840mm there quite a long way...

    Either your legs are much longer than mine, your bike sags about 100mm or the fact that the single is narrower than a twin is giving you a huge advantage?

    Does this mean I could ride a 640 adventure lowered????
    Windboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windboy View Post
    How much sag do you get out of your 640 after changing the rear link? From 917 to 840mm there quite a long way...

    Either your legs are much longer than mine, your bike sags about 100mm or the fact that the single is narrower than a twin is giving you a huge advantage?

    Does this mean I could ride a 640 adventure lowered????
    Yeah you probably could. Answer is probably a little of everything.

    Static laden sag is 1/3 travel so yeah, it sags 100mm when I sit on it. The lowering links change the travel a bit (I think that's how they work) but the sag point would be close, maybe lower.

    Lessee... 300mm std travel, 28mm lowering links = 272mm travel, 1/3 sag = 91mm, so 91 + 28 = 119mm, ie 19mm lower with the links, at correct sag. Presuming that the 28mm measurement comes from the pre-sag position.

    Now the question is, how do they measure the seat height? Unladen? Bike on wheels with std spring and preload? And how does that relate to the above calculations? Who cares? ...time.
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by warewolf View Post
    Now the question is, how do they measure the seat height? Unladen? Bike on wheels with std spring and preload? And how does that relate to the above calculations? Who cares? ...time.
    And what tyres and what pressure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZReX12 View Post
    Now here's the question......KTM990 Adventure or BMW1200GS?
    Anyone ridden both?
    Which one do you prefer and why?

    Have a spot in the garage that needs filling and can't make up my mind.
    Finding these things to test ride seems distressingly difficult.
    Hi there I have a 2006 KTM 990S. This is one awesome bike. The 1200 GS are also very good from what I understand. Technically they pretty much do the same job, however they go about it a bit differently. If you are planning on mainly road riding, you could argue the 1200 is better. The 1200 definitely has a far better range. I managed to completely empty my tanks in 270kms the other day! But boy did I have a grin on my face!! If you are doing more gravel and off road, go for the 990. I rode a 07 990 and the injection is much smoother than my 06, so no problem there.

    I never considered the 1200 as they are just too sensible
    That KTM just makes me grin like hell everytime I ride it. It must have been contagious as two of my mates have just bought brand new ones also!!!
    Don't be fooled by BMW reliability. They have their weaknesses like any bike.
    I took mine on the South Island Safari back in January and it was unbelievable. We went some awesome places. (See photo)

    At the end of the day, buy what gives you the horn. End of story.
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    The BMW is not in the same ball park , its a touring bike full stop. Its on and off road manners are in know way comparable to the KTM. If anyone thinks that the GS is in the same ballpark , they haven't ridden the KTM. Who gives a toss about fuel range , when in this country are you more than 200km's from a gas station. Ride a KTM 950 990 and you will buy one, everyone I know who has including me, did just that, they are the best thng going. !!

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    Test rode a 990 a couple of months back, only took about 30seconds before I knew the BMW had lost. A big orange thing now owns the garage (when I'm not riding it that is). Now for some decent pipes.........

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    KTM 990 Adventure dakar

    Considering the purchase of one of these.
    Anyone have an idea of actual tank range or ks per litre.
    Any comments from other owners appreciated.

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    mememe, the ktm holds 22 litres , 11 per side, I get between 320 and 360 per tank, depends how hard im punting. GET THE KTM MATE !! You won't regret it.

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    Can't say about the new 1200 but my 1150 Adventure gets around 450ks on its
    30ltr tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by mememe View Post
    Considering the purchase of one of these.
    Anyone have an idea of actual tank range or ks per litre.
    Any comments from other owners appreciated.

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    Hi guys.
    Own an 05 950 and have to be torn of the seat at the end of the day.
    Ride two up with the wife 80%of the time and have no problems with comfort. did 700 ks for the day last weekend and with the usual fuel and food stops the comfort level doesn't factor.
    Have ridden this bike with side panniers all round NZ on tar and gravel and can say it does everything I ask of it in spades. Run mitas tyres on her and get great ks. These are available from DAS in Christchurch.
    Great bike and the one we will be heading overseas with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeyboy View Post
    mememe, the ktm holds 22 litres , 11 per side, I get between 320 and 360 per tank, depends how hard im punting. GET THE KTM MATE !! You won't regret it.
    How far does it go b4 the fuel light comes on? I am trying to work out how far my 990 will go.

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