Enforcement on Learners???

**Blakamin** · 10th September 2004, 12:42

Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P

This thing called a 50kmh zone. It will teach you roadcraft because you are going to be around lots of other cars. Only for 6 months too. Once you have become used to traffic, you can then get a restricted and do 100kmh, and deal with 1)motorway traffic and 2)learning how to ride round corners well (something that not many people really need to do, it is more of a choice).

Why is it such an issue??? For the first 6 months you learn one aspect, and then the next 18months you learn another?

There's more to being a good rider than being able to go fast on an open road.

I dont understand your point :spudwhat: (illustrated for the smiley generation)

a bit difficult to stick to 50 zones if you live somewhere like the kapiti coast

**Slingshot** · 10th September 2004, 12:53

Originally Posted by celticno6

How long do you have to wait between getting your learners and sitting your restricted?

Is it six months? Or can you sit your restricted almost immediately.

Its been 20 years since I had my learners - I've forgotten.

I'm over 25 so it's only 6 months, if I had done a course it would have droped down to 3 months.

**Slingshot** · 10th September 2004, 12:56

Originally Posted by badlieutenant

id have to disagree on the cc rating restriction, I think it should be a total power output and power/weight restriction. I used to ride a xj600 on my learners and got pulled up for it by a cop. I explained to him that a gsxr250 would leave my bike for dead both in top speed and acceleration. I also pointed out my main use of the bike, which was long distance riding (bay of islands to wellington) which would kill a 250 fast, and he was good about it and even agreed that it was a silly law and told me to have a good day and take it easy. Actually He was driving one of the new holdens at the time and I ended up have a look at the new engine and finding out how fast they could go etc.

Yeah...totaly agree. The comment was more about the fact that I think there should be a restriction of some sort. Can you imagine the carnage if someone was able to buy an R1 or similar as there learners bike.

**vifferman** · 10th September 2004, 12:56

Originally Posted by Motu

A loooooooooooonnnnnnnggggggg time ago the L label was the rego label,if you were a learner when you paid for your rego,you got an L label.My brother had less riding time than me,but as he had a full car license he had a full rego label too.So I got a ticket for riding his bike which had no L label.Unfortunatly it was in Orewa and I had to go to court on the shore to plead guilty,I was 17 at the time and it was an interesting experiance - watching high paid lawyers pleading faulty speedos and such as the reason for speeding.One of these lawyers was a fat greasy haired dude wearing a black suit like he was an undertaker - his name was David Lange,and was to resurface a few years later.

I'd forgotten about the "L label thing. D'you remember that you could get a provisional licence to ride for 6 weeks on the road, by answering 5 oral questions and paying 50 cents? Then when that expired, another 50cents and off you went. I didn't have a bike to start with - borrowed everyone elses, like my sister's boyfriend's CB350.
When I wrote my first bike off, the other party didn't want to pay up, so contested it. My lawyer - one Paul East - said "Go for it!" and it was settled very quickly.

**Ms Piggy** · 10th September 2004, 13:09

Originally Posted by Posh Tourer :P

This thing called a 50kmh zone. It will teach you roadcraft because you are going to be around lots of other cars. Only for 6 months too. Once you have become used to traffic, you can then get a restricted and do 100kmh, and deal with 1)motorway traffic and 2)learning how to ride round corners well (something that not many people really need to do, it is more of a choice).

Why is it such an issue??? For the first 6 months you learn one aspect, and then the next 18months you learn another?

There's more to being a good rider than being able to go fast on an open road.

I dont understand your point :spudwhat: (illustrated for the smiley generation)

The issue for me is I live in Wellington and to get most places outside of the city I have to travel on the motorway. Most car drivers don't know that there is a speed restriction for Learner MB riders so they get aggrivated & aggressive and pass you close enough so that you can touch their car - it has happend to me.

Therefore my point is that if I want to ride to Tawa, Porirua, Upper Hutt, Lower Hutt just about anywhere I have to ride on the open road where there are a lot of dick head drivers that don't take kindly to being behind someone on a MB going at 70.

I know there is definitely more to be a good rider than going fast.

Personally I think being confident riding at 100 km/hr is just as important as being able to ride around town. I know I'm still a new rider and therefore have a lot to learn but I have never regretted getting out on that motorway at 100 when I'd only been riding for 2 months. It was an incredible boost to my confidence and I got to know my bike a lot better too. I also ride around town just about everyday and that is a must as well. I think a combination of both as soon as possible is best - it's what worked for me.

**Blakamin** · 10th September 2004, 13:22

Originally Posted by firestormer

I'd forgotten about the "L label thing. D'you remember that you could get a provisional licence to ride for 6 weeks on the road, by answering 5 oral questions and paying 50 cents? Then when that expired, another 50cents and off you went. I didn't have a bike to start with - borrowed everyone elses, like my sister's boyfriend's CB350.
When I wrote my first bike off, the other party didn't want to pay up, so contested it. My lawyer - one Paul East - said "Go for it!" and it was settled very quickly.

That 50 cents wasnt a weeks wages was it FS? (and coz I AM the smiley generation):P

**vifferman** · 10th September 2004, 13:27

Originally Posted by Blakamin

That 50 cents wasnt a weeks wages was it FS? (and coz I AM the smiley generation):P

At that time, I was earning about a dollar an hour, working in a furniture store. Petrol (for my first bike) cost me 80cents for a tank (2 galloooons, IIRC), and would get me about 85 miles.

**vifferman** · 10th September 2004, 13:29

Originally Posted by Blakamin

That 50 cents wasnt a weeks wages was it FS? (and coz I AM the smiley generation):P

Because you AM the smiley generation, I won't say "You cheeky young bugger!" Plus this gets me an extra post nearer the 1K mark (is that cheating?)

**Motu** · 10th September 2004, 13:33

Yep,I paid my 50c a few times before I got around to doing the real thing.$1 an hr was mans wages,I was getting $18 a week and it cost me 50c to fill my Bantam.