Enforcement on Learners???

[Posh Tourer :P]

a bit difficult to stick to 50 zones if you live somewhere like the kapiti coast

and THAT is the reason why I think it is a stupid restriction....

Sorry CSL, but your argument doesnt hold up, unless you can prove personal hardship for most learner riders caused by your argument. I dont think you can. Blakamin has hit the best reason. Not everyone has the space to learn in a 50 zone for the first 6 months....I can get everywhere in Akl, but going round greenhithe is a bit of a pain to get to the north shore. I'm sure it is similar in wellington. But for those in, say Turangi? You'd be *very* restricted for 6 months....

[Blakamin]

Blakamin has hit the best reason.

Awww... shucks

[Antallica]

Hmm, it's been over 1.5 years since I got that learners. Perhaps I'd better put that higher on the list.

[Ms Piggy]

and THAT is the reason why I think it is a stupid restriction....

Sorry CSL, but your argument doesnt hold up, unless you can prove personal hardship for most learner riders caused by your argument. I dont think you can. Blakamin has hit the best reason. Not everyone has the space to learn in a 50 zone for the first 6 months....I can get everywhere in Akl, but going round greenhithe is a bit of a pain to get to the north shore. I'm sure it is similar in wellington. But for those in, say Turangi? You'd be *very* restricted for 6 months....

Hey PT - just got back to this now. There's no need for you to apologise. You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I know that for me personally the way I have built up my confidence is by both riding on the open road & around town. I don't have to prove personal hardship I just know what has worked for me so far.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Hey PT - just got back to this now. There's no need for you to apologise. You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I know that for me personally the way I have built up my confidence is by both riding on the open road & around town. I don't have to prove personal hardship I just know what has worked for me so far.

Damned if I'm going to back out just yet!!!

WHY cant you develop later??? The first 6 months is for not open road. You can do all that developing after you sit a restricted!!! You still havent given any reason why you cant just do all that confidence building 24 weeks later...

what is so important about having to ride on open roads as soon as you get a licence????

[Ms Piggy]

Damned if I'm going to back out just yet!!!

WHY cant you develop later??? The first 6 months is for not open road. You can do all that developing after you sit a restricted!!! You still havent given any reason why you cant just do all that confidence building 24 weeks later...

what is so important about having to ride on open roads as soon as you get a licence????

I guess all I have to go on is my own personal experience. I rode pretty much everyday around town for a couple of months before I did my trip from Wellington to Hamilton in Feb of this year. Not that I like to brag...oh well ok then! http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...3&page=1&pp=15 Nah not really bragging, just realy wrapt that I did it.

Maybe my harship factor could be that, as a poor student, I bought my bike to save $$ on transport which was costing me up to $7- a day now maybe $10- a week at the most. Now it would be lovely if all my friends lived in Wellington City but they don't and so I would have to spend the money I saved from avoiding public transport on more petrol, so that I could ride at 50 km/hr until I am as road savvy at 50 km/hr as I can be.

And how the hell would I get out to Deanos to watch MotoGP on Thursday nights?? I know, I could ride at 70 km/hr and really piss off other traffic and endanger myself in the process I guess but nah, I choose to ride at 100km/hr on open road.

I dunno why I can't develop later, maybe you could ask a new rider that hasn't gone out on the open road like me. Maybe b/c part of the fun of riding for me, in fact the most fun, isn't being around town but being able to ride long distances and feel the freedom of being on my bike - excuse the cheese factor - it's not about speed though. Sheesh I dunno.

I don't have to try & convince you though cos I know what has worked for me, but it might not work for the next rider.

I open to correction and to learn and I'm not trying to be arrogant and say I'm as good rider or anything - I know I'm not but all I'm saying is what I have found as a Learner.

Cheers Cathy

[Posh Tourer :P]

Now it would be lovely if all my friends lived in Wellington City but they don't and so I would have to spend the money I saved from avoiding public transport on more petrol, so that I could ride at 50 km/hr until I am as road savvy at 50 km/hr as I can be.

And how the hell would I get out to Deanos to watch MotoGP on Thursday nights?? I know, I could ride at 70 km/hr and really piss off other traffic and endanger myself in the process I guess but nah, I choose to ride at 100km/hr on open road.

So why do you have to RIDE to go to these places???? Its like saying dang, all the parties happen at night, therefore I will feel justified in driving/riding at night on a learners/restricted

[Ms Piggy]

So why do you have to RIDE to go to these places???? Its like saying dang, all the parties happen at night, therefore I will feel justified in driving/riding at night on a learners/restricted

B/c it's my mode of transport and I choose to ride. I don't HAVE to. I'm not trying to justify riding at 100 km/hr...or maybe I am, anyway it is what I choose to do. I'm just saying that's how it works for me, you won't change my mind mate. I think from memory even the scary man who I did my BHS test with recomended getting out on the open road ASAP.

I really need to get my restricted though - you're right there!

[Posh Tourer :P]

B/c it's my mode of transport and I choose to ride. I don't HAVE to. I'm not trying to justify riding at 100 km/hr...or maybe I am, anyway it is what I choose to do. I'm just saying that's how it works for me, you won't change my mind mate. I think from memory even the scary man who I did my BHS test with recomended getting out on the open road ASAP.

I really need to get my restricted though - you're right there!

I agree that the restriction is stupid, and I spent a lot of time out in the Waitakeres when I was on my learners - open road speed limit, and no cops. Twas very good. I think the restriction should be removed for two reasons. 1) It is impossible to safely adhere to for rural learners. 2) It serves no purpose. Compared to a car learner licence, where you can go anywhere immediately, with no basic control skills even, its ludicrous. The problem there is that the learners and restricted then become identical for a bike. So what is the privilege you should earn on your restricted, to keep it similar to the car system

[Ms Piggy]

I agree that the restriction is stupid, and I spent a lot of time out in the Waitakeres when I was on my learners - open road speed limit, and no cops. Twas very good. I think the restriction should be removed for two reasons. 1) It is impossible to safely adhere to for rural learners. 2) It serves no purpose. Compared to a car learner licence, where you can go anywhere immediately, with no basic control skills even, its ludicrous. The problem there is that the learners and restricted then become identical for a bike. So what is the privilege you should earn on your restricted, to keep it similar to the car system

Yeah ok I see what you mean, the whole "privelage" thing. Hmmmmmm, maybe being able to graduate a higher cc bike on restricted? I really don't know. I really think weight ratio idea is far better than cc rating restriction so maybe if they changed that rule it would make a HUGE difference.

Cheers Cathy

[chic 'n' charge]

and THAT is the reason why I think it is a stupid restriction....

Sorry CSL, but your argument doesnt hold up, unless you can prove personal hardship for most learner riders caused by your argument. I dont think you can.....

If I was to only ride in 50-70 zones how long till I got sick of riding around Picton???? Would it be good for my riding? I doubt it! In the weekend rode from Here to Nelson, Murchison through the Lewis Pass to Chch and yesterday back up the coast. I suggest riding on the many different road surfaces the straight roads the tight twisty hilly ones was a lot better for learning, AND a helluva lotta fun

[Ms Piggy]

AND a helluva lotta fun

EXACTLY!

[spudchucka]

rode from Here to Nelson, Murchison through the Lewis Pass to Chch and yesterday back up the coast.

That sounds like a very nice ride!!

[scumdog]

Quote:"rode from Here to Nelson, Murchison through the Lewis Pass to Chch and yesterday back up the coast".

Too right, me'n'Chrissy-Bimbo (Mrs S.D.) did that ride earlier this year, it's magic, - good variety/scenery/distances, when it is not so wet we'll do it again. (we're talking about the weather here, smut-minds)

[Stevo]

If I was to only ride in 50-70 zones how long till I got sick of riding around Picton???? Would it be good for my riding? I doubt it! In the weekend rode from Here to Nelson, Murchison through the Lewis Pass to Chch and yesterday back up the coast. I suggest riding on the many different road surfaces the straight roads the tight twisty hilly ones was a lot better for learning, AND a helluva lotta fun

Sorry was actually me who wrote this, but did not realise I was signed in as the Mrs. It was a nice ride thanks Spudchucka. Apart from the poor weather and appalling visibilty between Nelson and Murchison. Ummm having not left Nelson until 830pm tho I was a little past my curfew by the time I got to Chch though.

Again good for the riding I say! Was slow trip for most of it as I had to match my road speed to the poor road and weather conditions which is even more essential on the bike eh?

Just have to watch the grit on lots of these SI roads at the moment. Roll on summer I say and no grit on all these tight bends!: