Et tu, Brute.

[White trash]

you should know

i'm betting that Goebbels was your childhood's hero?

Not suprising really, with the number of Nazi war criminals that found refuge in south africa....... shame that it's allowed to sully a perfectly innocent motorcycle site though.

THAT, is just disgustingly out of line and deserves an infraction, regardless of wether I aggree with the system or not.

Know the people you're poking shit at personally do you? Spent a bit of time with them? Thought not.

While we're on the personal, unjustified attacks theme, can you just nip into the next room and ask John exactly what he sees in the nasty, vindictive, crap spouting type? The numerous times I've met him I thought he was above that.

Thanks.

Ps. Yamahas are shit. (There's a completely broad, stupidly under thought and completely untrue statement to match your own)

[White trash]

don't get carried away

you may feel honoured, but the only reasons that you [specifically] have been invited to be a senior mod are as follows:-

you are young, impressionable, able to be manipulated.

Actually, he's not that young, got alot of time at work to spend online and reads everything on KB. Seems like a perfect reason to take the job, although he's obviously stupid enough to take on a thankless job like this for no pay, silly boy.

Another Mod you know real well eh? You're really proving a point here.

[Steam]

you're just being a stupid fucking whore.

That's worse than implying someone is a Nazi. Everyone should just calm down. Go book a ticket for the Dali Lama visit or something.

[jonbuoy]

you should know

i'm betting that Goebbels was your childhood's hero?

Not suprising really, with the number of Nazi war criminals that found refuge in south africa....... shame that it's allowed to sully a perfectly innocent motorcycle site though.

Thats one of the most poisonous and vicious things I've ever read on KB. I'm guessing your a bit hungover today and having that "OMFG what DID I do last night" feeling.

[White trash]

don't kid yourself

the only reason this hasn't been consigned to 'pointless drivel' is that the senior mods complicit in the 'backstabbing' feel it a useful vehicle for them to appear cute, cuddly and semi-human

if any other thread had been so woefully hijacked it would have been whisked away without a second's thought

tui anyone?

Ummmm, you've essentialy made attacks on each of them. Who amongst them is going to deal with this thread and not appear biased?

You've obviously got alot of pent up frustration over this, Dr Trash is prescribing a couple of valium and half a bottle of Vodka, you'll fell mint 'till tomorrow morning, I promise.

[Maha]

Ixion must be having a huge laugh at everyones expense, how fucken' cool is must feel to post a 'Wierd' thread and watch so many (of the ones he aimed it at) get it on!!....Clever Clever man.....

[White trash]

Ixion must be having a huge laugh at everyones expense, how fucken' cool is must feel to post a 'Wierd' thread and watch so many (of the ones he aimed it at) get it on!!....Clever Clever man.....

"Cocksucker" would be my term. Who the hell posts a "goodbye" thread them comes back to post another?

(Except this cocksucker of course)

Edit: I can't be infracted for calling him a cocksucker, he said wasn't coming back.

[Toaster]

Ixion must be having a huge laugh at everyones expense, how fucken' cool is must feel to post a 'Wierd' thread and watch so many (of the ones he aimed it at) get it on!!....Clever Clever man.....

I reckon. Who needs to watch boxing when we have our very own scrap right on KB! Sittin' back with a few beers........

[Steam]

Edit: I can't be infracted for calling him a cocksucker, he said wasn't coming back.

Nah he said he would pop in from time to time, in his original farewell post.
It has all been very entertaining though, hasn't it.

[Toaster]

Edit: I can't be infracted for calling him a cocksucker, he said wasn't coming back.

Laughin my ass off! ++

[Biff]

i'm betting that Goebbels was your childhood's hero?

Not suprising really, with the number of Nazi war criminals that found refuge in south africa....... shame that it's allowed to sully a perfectly innocent motorcycle site though.

I've just lost any respect I ever had for you.

How low are you going to take this?

[Her_C4]

FWIW....

here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...38#post1088938

[Ixion]

"Cocksucker" would be my term. Who the hell posts a "goodbye" thread them comes back to post another?

Tsk tsk. You didn't READ my post did you. See my signature.I'm like that bad smell from the drains. Every time you think it's finally gone, your wife comes in and says "It's back!"

SPman who, for the past few weeks, has been losing sleep over the petty, nitpicking, jackboot approach to moderating that the senior moderating team has been taking.

i have lived with him through every commonsense, reasonable approach he has put forward to his fellow senior moderators and lived with his despair as it has all fallen on deaf ears...... until - unable to tolerate any further reasonable debate or opposing opinion to their hard-line approach, they, outnumbering him, have ousted him.

Well, now that someone else has has "blown the whistle" perhaps matters can be brought into the open, for the benefit of all.

I should mention first however, that I have no complaint about being badly treated, 'cos I wasn't. A little bird told me of what was happening in the Senior Mods discussion (there's a special forum for it , y'know). And for the record, the birdie wasn't Mr Spman, or Ms Mstriumph. I didn't like what was happening , but couldn't say much without comprimising my source (the classic journalist's dilemma!). I was told "if you don't like it, piss off". So I pissed off without saying anything. Then I heard what was happening to Mr Spman,so I knew it wasn't just me being hypersuspicious, and people started asking if I was dead. So I came back, a month later, to write my wee valedictory. With that penultimate paragraph.I lost no blood

Now. With all that stuff out of the way:

Firstly: MsTriumph's post must show any logical person that there ARE changes, present or upcoming. If there were not, there would have been no cause for such heated argument amongst the Heaven Born (and very heated it was, I understand). For there to be such disagreement, there must be something to disagree ABOUT.

Secondly: The argument that "this is not a democracy" and members should just accept whatever is dished out and shut up, is flawed. The site is Mr Spankme's. He may indeed set any rules he chooses, and delegate what he chooses. But the members are stakeholders. They have a justifed interest in what happens to the site. Firstly because, without members , there would be no site. And secondly because some of them have invested time (and money , in some case) into making it what it is. Every ruling body (governments etc) must govern. And sometimes they will, and must, make decisions and rules that people will object to. but, even governments consult people before they change things . They may still go ahead with changes that many, even all, people object to. That is the function of governments, to govern. But stakeholders do have a right to be consulted first. Even the cops and LTSA do that much.

So, we see that the Heaven Born are planning changes (sigh. Yes. I know. The party line is "There are no changes".See above , it's called logic). Whether those are new rules, or extensions to old ones doesn't really matter (If the police started issuing tickets for 1kph over the speed limit, would you not think that was a change to the rules? Even though no legislative change is required).

And, perceptive people can see that *something* is going on. Whilst the present climate of secrecy is maintained, people will suspect the worst. And, assume the worst of motives for it. It may well be that some of the proposals won't get off the ground anyway (f'instance Mr Spankme squelched the idea of asking the ISPs of naughty KBers to bar their Internet access).But noone knows that either. I know our latest Tetrarch has a number of ideas to change things. Personally, I think they're more suited to KiddieBiker than Kiwibiker, but others may well think differently. That's what consultation is about .

So, why not DO the consultative thing? A simple "We think that "this" ....... needs to happen. We'll listen to input about it, reserving the right to go ahead even if "this" is unpopular". Sticking with the "We are the leaders,there ARE NO CHANGES, we will make the decisions and the first you'll know of them is when we tell you" will be totally destructive in the long term. And the short term. And leads to unpleasantness for all.

[Mom]

Yamahas are shit.

That's worse than implying someone is a Nazi.

I reckon

Apologies for the terrible quotes.......guys, come on!!! this is getting silly now....you want Mom to make you kiss and make up, or worse hold hands??

Can we please agree to disagree??? and move on???



Please.... I hate popcorn !!!

[White trash]

Sorry, my bad for not reading the original post.

You're obviously a thinkin' man, you obviously form your posts with a great deal of thought (unlike me and another protaganist that's come to light). Why didn't you answer the questions asked of you in the first instance, rather than ignoring your fellow moderators before your "powers" were stripped? Can't change a system from the outside, everyone knows that. Myself personally, I wouldn't do the job you guys so (or did), there's no way I can be impartial, being an angry bastard and all.

I'm really mistified as to what the hoo-ha is all about to be honest.

Edit: Being a particularly slow bastard, I've just worked out the answer to my own question. You, Ixion, were the minority in the opioin stakes. Rather than continue being the odd one out, you decided to duck out, leave those other wankers to it and have a winge at their expense. Well if a "mod" is a minority in their opinions, then surely the majority better represent the populous in the descision making? Similar to a government or summit? I dunno, just speculating.......