Fair call for a barrier but cheese grater?

[jafar]

From the eyewitness account Dan was cut in half. I can think of no factor that has even a remote possibility of doing this other than the wire barrier. We're jumping on a 99% certainty. Yes, we'll look pretty silly in the extremely unlikely event that it turns out the barrier was not the cause of death. However, for the sake of striking while the iron's hot I for one am willing to take the minute risk that we may be wrong.

Dan's crash , while it is the catalyst for this thread should not be the sole reason for the removal of this type of barrier, there is plenty of information about these barriers from european countries & other places where they have been used. We will get nowhere quoting one accident as the reason we want these things gone.

[Brett]

Dan's crash , while it is the catalyst for this thread should not be the sole reason for the removal of this type of barrier, there is plenty of information about these barriers from european countries & other places where they have been used. We will get nowhere quoting one accident as the reason we want these things gone.

Yes thats right. Our arguement needs to be bigger than just Dan. And I beleive that we are well on our way to creating such an arguement.

[Grahameeboy]

They did chose. In the face of (safer?) alternatives. How could any decision NOT be deliberate?
Are you saying 'they' put all the possibilities in a hat and a blindfolded bureaucrat was randomly selected to pull out the one 'they' used??

Agree their decision was deliberate.......just not in a dangerous way.

[Grahameeboy]

From the eyewitness account Dan was cut in half. I can think of no factor that has even a remote possibility of doing this other than the wire barrier. We're jumping on a 99% certainty. Yes, we'll look pretty silly in the extremely unlikely event that it turns out the barrier was not the cause of death. However, for the sake of striking while the iron's hot I for one am willing to take the minute risk that we may be wrong.

Don't know the facts but if that is what happened then agree you have a point.

[swbarnett]

Dan's crash , while it is the catalyst for this thread should not be the sole reason for the removal of this type of barrier,

I agree entirely. I did stray from this a bit. I was more thinking about this particular crash as the catalyst for the current fervour.

[scumdog]

I look at it this way:

If I had to choose between meeting a smooth barrier or wires at speed, I know which one I would prefer.

I think the 'choices' were no barrier or a wire barrier.

There are way more deaths from head-ons - yet we still have mainly two-lane, two direction roads instead of freeways.

So going by the logic mentioned by many then Transit should be dealing with the two-lane roads in the 'best' way they can - they do, wire barriers.

Would this tragedy been any less fatal if there had been NO barrier? Who knows.

[MSTRS:Me]

SD - I hope you are not suggesting that all open 2-way roads are to have these nightmares installed???

[Delphinus]

I think the 'choices' were no barrier or a wire barrier.

I think thats part of the issue.

Why are flush-to-the-ground W fencing or concrete barriers not an option, taking into account the danger caused by wire barriers.

[DEATH_INC.]

I think thats part of the issue.

Why are flush-to-the-ground W fencing or concrete barriers not an option, taking into account the danger caused by wire barriers.

Easy. Economics. No-one looks to the future in our road design, so wire is cheap NOW. Like Scumdog sez, wire or nothing. Wire is in the budget concrete is not, so we get wire...

[Reckless]

oh yes and add that to the fact that we have coarse chip cause its cheaper, therefore we design our tyres with harder less grippy rubber so they don't wear out to fast, added to the fact that the chip then gets punched down below the tar, then it rains and we are on an ice skating surface.

oh yes (to remain on topic), then they stick a cheese grater 2m each side of us to really finish the job.

Then they spend millions advertising that if we are 10k over the limit its all our fault!

Its a fuckin joke, its killing us, and NO ONE is Responsable!!

Rant over!

[Sanx]

Easy. Economics. No-one looks to the future in our road design, so wire is cheap NOW. Like Scumdog sez, wire or nothing. Wire is in the budget concrete is not, so we get wire...

Typical short-sighted decisions. Doesn't matter that over ten or twenty years it'll actually be cheaper - the initial outlay is less so go with that, 'cos that allows them to look good for that budget. If a board of directors ran their company the same way, they'd be fired in an instant

oh yes and add that to the fact that we have coarse chip cause its cheaper, therefore we design our tyres with harder less grippy rubber so they don't wear out to fast, added to the fact that the chip then gets punched down below the tar, then it rains and we are on an ice skating surface.

oh yes (to remain on topic), then they stick a cheese grater 2m each side of us to really finish the job.

Then they spend millions advertising that if we are 10k over the limit its all our fault!

Its a fuckin joke, its killing us, and NO ONE is Responsable!!

Rant over!

You're preaching to the converted, dude.

[Reckless]

You're preaching to the converted, dude.

I know I know! but I can't help gettin on me soapbox it shits me off so much!

Oh well "Ours is not to reason why, its just to try not to die"

[Krusti]

oh yes and add that to the fact that we have coarse chip cause its cheaper, therefore we design our tyres with harder less grippy rubber so they don't wear out to fast, added to the fact that the chip then gets punched down below the tar, then it rains and we are on an ice skating surface.

oh yes (to remain on topic), then they stick a cheese grater 2m each side of us to really finish the job.

Then they spend millions advertising that if we are 10k over the limit its all our fault!

Its a fuckin joke, its killing us, and NO ONE is Responsable!!

Rant over!

Then they put placards all over the place warning cage drivers to watch out for motorcyclists.....

[Drum]

Typical short-sighted decisions. Doesn't matter that over ten or twenty years it'll actually be cheaper - the initial outlay is less so go with that, 'cos that allows them to look good for that budget. If a board of directors ran their company the same way, they'd be fired in an instant....

The economics are actually worked out over a standard 25 year period.

[SPman]

If a board of directors ran their company the same way, they'd be fired in an instant
You're preaching to the converted, dude.

Many do and they aren't - 'nuff said!