Here it is lolOriginally Posted by MacD
Recovered workaholic.
Here it is lol
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
Recovered workaholic.
Only just ones.
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
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Na! The most supid, misunderstood, with a totally failed education program is the new indicating at round-a-bout law. Its so badly misunderstood that every one has automatically fallen back to the "wait and see what they do" method as you can't even trust cars that are actually indicating. Another LTSA fuck up!!
Point 1: Totaly Agree. They say publicly, not our fault but charge us anyway.
Point 2: I think the roads have a great deal to do with the accidents especially state highways. I wonder how that glossy tar stuff, when the chip is punched through contributes to Highway accidents. They go on about an extra 20k kills etc but no one seems to want to evaluate how much the roads contribute. Poor maintenance of our open highways that take away 90% of the grip on a wet day. We have hard rubber tyres designed by the manufacturers to last on coarse chip, then they let the open roads go all glossy. Very bad combination hard rubber/slick road. We have no choice but to ride on the left hand glossy strip, or the bit in the middle where all the oil is, or the right hand glossy strip. Bad roads = bad accidents. I know you should drive to the conditions but most cars have no idea of how bad they are until they have riden a bike in the wet or their car suddenly slides out. There must come a point where the roads have to be atributed some blame or we might as well go back to mud tracks.
oh us MX boys never fall off, or get hurt!!
And as the Automobile Assoc has been saying for many years if all the road taxes had been going into roading we would have far better roads, less congestion, accidents, medical costs, time loss expense to the country.
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
'Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out! Shouting, ' Holy sh!t... What a Ride!! '
Recovered workaholic.
That's a falsehood. There's nothing new about it - it's always been there, it's just never been enforced, and now, to prevent themselves looking stupid and/or upseting the dopey public who were never taught to indicate properly since they were not professionally taught to drive, they're saying it's new. I was taught to indicate exactly as they're saying to now and always have done.
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
.....your time is coming
But I guess that is subjective eh?Only just ones.
Fair weather rider
Unfortunately so, but obeying the law for the sake of it being law is how you end up living in tyranny - it is a requirement of being a citizen of a nation state that one continually evaluate the laws, which are, after all, passed by a government comprised of other humans, not a benevolent and just deity.
is currently sulking in the Sin Bin
If the person turning left stops when there is a vehicle behind them going straight through then that person shouldn't stop, quite right but that person has to use their rear vision mirror and THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM! I have struck it on numerous occassions, I've indicated left, seen vehicles behind me that aren't indicating, continued with a smooth left turn and seen the on-coming right turning vehicle nearly take out the straight-through vehicle, while giving me a dirty look for not stopping during my left turn. There are none so blind......
Fair weather rider
I get that, it's how you extrapolated that to motorists subsidising all motorcyclists. Would it not be more accurate to say that all motor vehicle users subsidise users with poor skills?That's because I'm comparing costs of motorcycle victim rehabilitation to actual registrations, which I feel is a more valid comparison.
Your original comparison produced a skewed result.
I was trying to illustrate that if we looked at costs based on only at-fault motorcyclists it cost a lot. Yes I know ACC is no-fault.
Scumdog - the $52M was for rehabilitation costs, not total costs. We'd look a lot worse if we included ALL costs.
.....your time is coming
To be honest drivers over here have never understood how to negotiate roundabouts so no change by the looks of it.
It is simple.
Single lane approach.
Turning Left before 12 o'clock position- Keep to outside of roundabout and indicate Left
Going straight ahead - no need to indicate.
Turning right ie past 12 o'clock position - Indicate right, keep to inside of roundabout and when you get near to exit indicate left.
Dual lane approach.
Turning left before 12 o'clock position - same as above but stay in left lane etc
Going straight ahead - enter by left lane, keep / exit in that lane. Enter by right lane, keep / exit in that lane.
Turning right ie past 12 o'clock position - enter by right lane, stay in inside lane and indicate peel off at exit.
At all times checking for any cars that may have entered whilst negotiating roundabout, say a car entering just before your intended exit.
It is not rocket science..............
.....your time is coming
I agree which just shows how dumb drivers here are.........it is so obvious but I am afraid Kiwi's often take things too literally and when it comes to driving do not think outside the box.
When I am waiting to turn right and there are following vehicles, I actually point this out to the driver turning left with a polite gesture and even then they give me a quizicle look.
However, although drivers should work it out the Lsta are at fault here because it just says 'Give Way' in the Road Code hence my earlier comment.
The instructions are simple...
On any ordinary suburban T intersection, the leg of the T is either Giveway or Stop. How can you install the same on the bar?? Which in most cases is a straight through jobby. This is where the right hand rule applies. Whether you agree with this rule or not, it aint rocket science.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
The instructions are simple...
To clarify the right hand rule....
You are in your car (for sake of illustration) - if the other vehicle can hit your drivers door, then YOU GIVEWAY.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
on the up
Yeah probably, but it wouldn't have suited my point.
Of course, we haven't solved the main issue which is, of course, the fact that motorcyclists pay a disproportionate amount of ACC fees in what is supposed to be a no-fault system.
It would appear that ACC punishes the victim, rather than the perpetrator. No-fault obviously doesn't mean no-responsibility.
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
.....your time is coming
No 'Stop'..........trouble with 'Give Way' is that you give drivers a choice and they cannot make the right choice whereas 'Stop' gives them no choice which is why I feel that we should scrap the turning left rule and put stop signs / road markings (in yellow, not white), maybe even mark the road for say 5 metres or so before the end of the intersection with spaced out lines across the road to make it more obvious.
Recovered workaholic.
That's not at all what you demonstrated. The equation you gave was wrong because you were laying the total cost, of all $52M in claims, at the feet of 1/4 of motorcyclists. My figure of $300 per motorcycle is correct, when 75% of the costs belong to the people whose fault it was that the cost incurred, that weren't the motorcyclist. The correct equation is:
(($52,000,000 *25% fault cost) /43,000 motorcycles per annum) = $300 faultcost/motorcycle per annum. (note the units...)
If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!
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