ACC calls for “greater awareness of motorcyclists”

[Max Preload]

I was trying to illustrate that if we looked at costs based on only at-fault motorcyclists it cost a lot.

But your formula is wrong, whereas all I did was count too many digits in my result.

[MSTRS:Me]

No 'Stop'..........trouble with 'Give Way' is that you give drivers a choice and they cannot make the right choice whereas 'Stop' gives them no choice which is why I feel that we should scrap the turning left rule and put stop signs / road markings (in yellow, not white), maybe even mark the road for say 5 metres or so before the end of the intersection with spaced out lines across the road to make it more obvious.

There is no choice - the law is clear. 9/10 times there is not enough road width to have a Stop bay on a T intersection like I described.
Going on your scenario, I/we have a choice to speed, so all vehicles should be governed.

[Max Preload]

To clarify the right hand rule....
You are in your car (for sake of illustration) - if the other vehicle can hit your drivers door, then YOU GIVEWAY.

Not if you're going straight through or the other vehicle is on a greater heirachy of sign (ie. they're on a stop, you're on a give way or they're on a give way and you're on nothing).

The actual rule for uncontrolled intersections is "If turning, give way to all traffic not turning. In all other situations give way to traffic crossing or approaching from your right".

[Max Preload]

I don't think that controlling every intersection with a stop sign is going to do anything but encourage people to take more risk because they've been forced to miss a gap that would have been perfectly safe.

What should be done is raise the standard of driving. At present, driver license testers must pass 75% of all applicants. So you ony have to be better than 25% worst to get a license. How ridiculous is that?

[Krayy]

Saw the TV3 story. You Auckland riders are..f@*#ed!. Take the bus.

I particular liked the way that Carly Kirkwood (or whatever her name is) started the intro with "Let's find out about what's being done to save this endangered species".

Oh, your wit is just so bitingly sharp. Why don't you just throw in a reference to "Temporary NZers" rather than doing some cunning story on what a SMIDSY is.

[Grahameeboy]

There is no choice - the law is clear. 9/10 times there is not enough road width to have a Stop bay on a T intersection like I described.
Going on your scenario, I/we have a choice to speed, so all vehicles should be governed.

Bay? No just need to replace the signs and change the road markings.

[riffer]

But your formula is wrong, whereas all I did was count too many digits in my result.

LOL. I'll give you this one. Let's get back to worrying about what we're going to do about the blind cagers eh?

[Grahameeboy]

I don't think that controlling every intersection with a stop sign is going to do anything but encourage people to take more risk because they've been forced to miss a gap that would have been perfectly safe.

What should be done is raise the standard of driving. At present, driver license testers must pass 75% of all applicants. So you ony have to be better than 25% worst to get a license. How ridiculous is that?

Why would a stop sign make drivers take more risks.........just the sign may make them think about checking properly so in practice what may happen is that not all drivers will actually stop but they make look properly rather than shooting up to an intersection which says 'Give Way', overshoot, either carry on and causing other car to brake or they see the other car, stop (well over the line) giving the driver a fright.

You see I think drivers here think that the 'Giveway' signs are for the other drivers, you know, the 'they should stop for me syndrome' so perhaps with a 'Stop' sign they may be more careful cause, a bit like reverse physcology, because they cannot be sure that the other driver will stop so will be more cautious.

[Max Preload]

Let's get back to worrying about what we're going to do about the blind cagers eh?

A bit of vigilante justice never goes unappreciated...

[Grahameeboy]

LOL. I'll give you this one. Let's get back to worrying about what we're going to do about the blind cagers eh?

They are not blind......just do not look.........a blind driver is more likely to stop.

[Griff]

They are not blind......just do not look.........a blind driver is more likely to stop.

Blind Car drivers are EASY to spot..... They are usually preceded by a harnessed Labrador running like fuck, about 2 feet in front.

[Max Preload]

Why would a stop sign make drivers take more risks...

There's a T-junction onto Gt South Road that I go through every day. I come from the side road through a stop sign, turning left. Often, because I have to come to a complete stop, I miss a gap I could easily and safely use if it was a Give Way. And because I'm having to completely stop, it takes more time to get moving again, so smaller gaps become more unrealistic than had I already been rolling.

[Grahameeboy]

Blind Car drivers are EASY to spot..... They are usually preceded by a harnessed Labrador running like fuck, about 2 feet in front.

with a red flag attached to it's tail eh.......

[riffer]

I would have thought its bright red tongue hanging out woud have served as enough of a red flag...

huh... you learn something every day.

[Grahameeboy]

There's a T-junction onto Gt South Road that I go through every day. I come from the side road through a stop sign, turning left. Often, because I have to come to a complete stop, I miss a gap I could easily and safely use if it was a Give Way. And because I'm having to completely stop, it takes more time to get moving again, so smaller gaps become more unrealistic than had I already been rolling.

Whats the rush....on your bike you can easily squirt into a gap and even in a car you can put your foot down so you don't interfere with traffic and merge.....works in London.....either way a gap will turn up...honest....

Sorry poor excuse.........