Would you give up your Thou' for an 800cc MotoGP rep?

[slowpoke]

Why I beg to differ good sir... stability of a smaller bike with high horsepower is only really down to geometry... and as for the chasis handling the engines...I'm one of a very few amount of people that has first hand experience racing a 800cc modern high horse power sportsbike...apart from the engine being a fricken handfull as far as power delivery goes...she handles pretty dam good!!! stops as good as any...but is a lil prone to wheelie's...which is a power delivery,geometry issuse that hopefully can be dialed out at some stage!! the concept is a brillent one...as when Shaun Harris built the bike it was very sucsessful!! Jarrod Love has even commented that Shaun was pulling away from him slightly on the main straight of ruapuna...and he was on a highly worked CBR1000RR...with no shortage of grunt...honda jokes aside...honda thous in race form ain't a slow machine!!
In superbike form my bike [shauns harris ex race bike] was making 153hp...I can only guess what Jarrod Loves honda was making...but I dare say it would be on the happy side of 180hp...
The Idea of having the low weight spinning internals help reduce horse power losses by a heap...and also while braking...you can slow them down faster!! even if its by fractions of a fraction of a second..its an advantge..lower gyroscopic effect from all the recipricating internals is also an big advantage for changing direction...the down side from what I've experienced...is you have a bike thats incredibly physically demanding to ride!! [and I mean fucking physically demanding to ride!!!]and involving!! as others that have ridden my bike can contest to [ie:Mr white trash]...its a testament to the skill and fitness of shaun and jason mcquewn who have ridden this machine to good results...not to mention Trashys 4th at the wairarapa hill climb after bugger all time on the bike...and the fact if was tring to hoist the front wheel in 4th gear off the power at times [not desired when racing...it is cool though!!] and being one of the cunty-est bikes to get off the line!!!
I would given the $$$$ love to develop another GSX-R750 [k8 ] to a 800cc bike...and refine it to be easier to ride on the track...make it work like a 600 with more power...as the 600's are but a few seconds a lap or less off superbikes...even at pukie!

Imdying was talking about bikes getting phyiscally smaller (not just capacity) and I was meaning a physically smaller/shorter bike (say 100mm shorter wheelbase) would be more unstable. I reckon the thing would be on one wheel or the other and rarely on both.
I hear what you are saying re the GSXR vs CBR but it's hard to compare apples to lemons (geddit? Honda->lemon, lol). Your bike is definitely a weapon Mr 'Poos (and sounds the mutts nuts too) but without a similarly developed thou it's difficult to compare. The gixxer's crank has probably been lightened the CBR's may not have been, gixxer may have close ratio gearbox etc etc.
As you said, the difficulty in riding the thing (have ya got the PCIII yet slacker?) is the downside of developing a peakier smaller capacity bike to compete against larger capacity machines. You are a good rider and may be able to tame it but wallopers like me have got no show of being able to exploit the advantages.
To refine it to make it easier to ride is going to be difficult without losing the grunt that has been squeezed out of it...it's the age old compromise really. It's almost like the old days of Torana XU1's vs Falcon GTHO's with totally different idea's of how to tackle the same problem of getting around a track as quick as possible. Both work but each suits a different track.
What we need is for you and Trashy to do some wife oops I mean bike swapping and do some testing with Trashy's new thou and your bike back to back...be an interesting experiment.

[cowpoos]

I was meaning a physically smaller/shorter bike (say 100mm shorter wheelbase) would be more unstable. I reckon the thing would be on one wheel or the other and rarely on both.

I think they have pretty much reached the limit of how short wheel base's can go...if the can compact up the engines a bit more in the SB and SS classes tey might beable to keep the swingarm lenghts about the same and shorten the wheelbases a bit more... MotoGP wheelbases are a lil bit longer than most thou's I believe??

What we need is for you and Trashy to do some wife oops I mean bike swapping and do some testing with Trashy's new thou and your bike back to back...be an interesting experiment.

I doubt Trashy will let me breath on his new machine...let alone ever swing a leg over it!! but it would be a interesting test!

[imdying]

Imdying was talking about bikes getting phyiscally smaller (not just capacity) and I was meaning a physically smaller/shorter bike (say 100mm shorter wheelbase) would be more unstable.

Something to ponder... a GSXR600 and a GSXR1000 are the same size

Assuming a typically styled chassis, it appears that there are ideal dimensions... of course, weight, positioning of the motor, things like that, they all have an effect, which is why although all sportsbikes are nearly the same dimensions, they all handle differently. For example, 17" wheels, 1300 odd mm wheelbase, that sort of stuff. Anyway, if they were to take 100mm out of the wheelbase for some reason, it seems like a pretty safe bet that they would've have a pretty good reason. Perhaps a longer and longer swingarms will give them the ability to shorten wheelbases without compromising stability, although I'd be putting my money on telescopic forks being ditched being the reason they can get away with it (assuming that were to happen).

Rather than compacting the bike lengthwise, I think they'll put more effort into making the thous thinner... the CBR600 and the R6 with their unconventional side fairings are an excellent example of this... the RC212V and the R6 both point towards sportsbike being made even more impractical in regards to passengers. That might be another nod for the 800s though... the 800s may be uncompromised sportsbikes, the 1000s retaining their reasonable passenger carrying ability as they settle into a middle age spread. They thous will never be slower than they are, the 800s will merely be faster.

[sAsLEX]

Rather than compacting the bike lengthwise, I think they'll put more effort into making the thous thinner... the CBR600 and the R6 with their unconventional side fairings are an excellent example of this... the RC212V and the R6 both point towards sportsbike being made even more impractical in regards to passengers. That might be another nod for the 800s though... the 800s may be uncompromised sportsbikes, the 1000s retaining their reasonable passenger carrying ability as they settle into a middle age spread. They thous will never be slower than they are, the 800s will merely be faster.

Kinda like the Duke and the Duke R, release a more pointed sports orientated version....