Bain is being retried.

[Patrick]

And what if David doesn't give evidence? He cannot be compelled to. Where does that leave Joe Karram and the rest of us?

Quite right... he doesn't have to. That has always been a problem with some who might think: "But for an innocent man, he doesn't have much to say for himself?"

The facts will sort themselves out, but hey, juries are fickle things... whatever the result, there will always be some who will say it is wrong....

[Patrick]

Oh, so you're the one with the placard saying 'He's guilty'...

Mine says "David BAIN is guilty..."

[MSTRS:Me]

... whatever the result, there will always be some who will say it is wrong....

Now aint that the truth. And will there be an appeal from the aggrieved party, whichever side it is on?

[Grahameeboy]

The only people who know the truth are the dead family.

Who knows whether he is guilty or not. Seems like a nice bloke and on balance of probability and support he may well be innocent......on the other hand he could be very clever.....why did Father let David Bain live, why not someone else.

Maybe the Police did balls up the investigation etc.....it was a long time ago and no offence to the Police in NZ but at the time their exposure to murder was probably on a small scale compared to say the UK......look at that UK guy who was murdered whilst campervanning with his girlfriend and the Police did not handle well.....

So many curve balls eh

[MSTRS:Me]

Mine says "David BAIN is guilty..."

Nice to know that the NZ public can expect police to have an open mind about these things...

[Maha]

The only people who know the truth are the dead family.

Wouldnt be so sure of that Grahame, can it possible that the person who killed the family was then killed by surviving memeber?....he was never charged with that senario

[Grahameeboy]

Wouldnt be so sure of that Grahame, can it possible that the person who killed the family was then killed by surviving memeber?....he was never charged with that senario

Yep go for that...you knew what I meant..bling to you....

[The Stranger:Me]

I still think he is Guilty I Have a problem beliveing that his father was willing to kill all the family exept for David without leaving a note to clear his son, if he belived that David was the only one that deserved to live why leave him exposed to a life senence without some form of letter that spelt out his reason for killing everyone except David?

Because he didn't have the benefit of hindsight?

[Grahameeboy]

Nice to know that the NZ public can expect police to have an open mind about these things...

Just like the NZ Public have open minds you mean.......

[onearmedbandit]

Dynamytus50, spudchucka, and Patrick. You 3 share, by all accounts, the same opinion regarding David Bain's guilt. Yet the Privy Council quashed his conviction and ordered a retrial. So, without disclosing anything in particular, are you all fully up to speed with all the facts pertaining to the case, maybe even information that didn't make it to the Privy Council? I'm honestly interested.

Just you three in the past have been critical of people jumping to conclusions without all the information.

[Hitcher]

and they also said he should remain in prison until the decision is made for a retrial... remember that one????

Yes. It still doesn't change that fact that he is now an alleged murderer.

[Grahameeboy]

Just a comparison...watched a doco which questioned the OJ case. They interviewed PI's etc and after watching it I was not so sure OJ was guilty............a lot of question marks...........

This is the problem with the Bain case I guess...too much has been looked at, twisted over the years....

[janno]

This is one jury which I'd be interested in being on.

Although don't you get paid about five eighths of f#ck all per day?

[SPman]

"But for an innocent man, he doesn't have much to say for himself?"

So - why should he. Everyone acts differently and not necessarily by TV drama show norms. Lindy Chamberlain also, did not act according to "accepted" dramatic norms and it stuffed her, first time around. Initial impressions according to emotion shown or not, can be highly deceptive - either way. This time around it won’t just be Bain on trial, it will be the NZ justice system. The system has to prove that it can get it right, because, currently by recharging David Bain it looks like it is only acting to protect its authority. It would be nice if egos were laid aside in this case and all facts were addressed and assessed. It probably won't happen - it never does. Like all trials this visible, it often becomes a pissing contest between the police and the defence and truth seldom gets a look in.

Personally I have no idea if Bain is guilty or not but if it were me, I would still be a bit more concerned about the loss of my entire family than he appears to be, unless of course I "was" the perpetrator all along and obviously knew that answer! John.

Perhaps the family environment was so toxic, that, regardless of how it happened, after the initial shock (or not) he's glad to be out of it all. He's had plenty of time in prison to come to terms with it all if he is innocent.I, likewise, have no idea if he is guilty or not, these days. I think, like a lot of these cases, the police handling needs to be scrupulously up front and honest. If there is the slightest shred of doubt about anything, whether they are right or wrong, they will always be perceived as the bastards trying to stitch up an innocent man for their own ends. It's going to be an interesting media circus.

[MSTRS:Me]

Dynamytus50, spudchucka, and Patrick. You 3 share, by all accounts, the same opinion regarding David Bain's guilt. ....

The party line? Or evidence that has never made it's way into the public arena (not likely - it would have been used to prosecute originally, and if unused it must be dodgy)?
There may well be cops on this site who are 'undeclared' and who espouse Bain's innocence?